User talk:Bibliophile

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Hello there! 😊

You're partially right in thinking you can't change most of the template text without changing it for everyone. As it's currently written, the template can take one parameter, |title=, which allows you to change the text at the top (which currently says This is Bibliophile's talk page, where you can send messages and comments to Bibliophile.).

There's two options to change it more, though, depending what you want to do.

Option one is that I can add other parameters to the template, allowing you to replace the |left= and |right= text respectively.

If you just want to tweak it though, there's another way. If you change the template to {{subst:talkheader}} and save it once, it will substitute the template in this page with the code that the template produces. You can then edit that to reflect exactly what you want to say. Downside is that any changes or improvements to the {{talkheader}} template won't be applied here (since you're no longer using the template), but it's very stable, and I don't see that that's a big downside. 😊

Let me know by replying here if you'd like me to add |left= and |right= parameters to the template! -- Djonni (talk) 04:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! That’s so helpful. I’ve been reading the guides, documentation, and talk page discussions trying to better understand this wiki works (wiki code, syntax, etc.). I realize it has it some quirks. 😊
I originally just wanted to have something so I could create a talk page. I found the template and then began thinking, “Oh, what if I could make this or that change!”
So, I think the second method, using {{subst:talkheader}} will probably work best. I like the overall look of the template but want to tweak it. Working with the copy of the code would be great for me. I appreciate you offering to add the parameters, though. -- Bibliophile (talk) 01:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh it's a pleasure. 😊 I'm happy to help anyone who shows an interest in the wiki.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with wikis in general, but here are a couple of pro tips that might help you play with the template above (or any).
  • The page at Special:ExpandTemplates will let you see the final code that a template will produce on a page. You could use this to preview tweaks to {{talkheader}} without the risk of saving your changes yet, and no risk of messing anything up. (It's actually very difficult to mess anything up around here, ultimately, there's very few mistakes that can't be easily undone.) Now, I might be remembering wrong with this next bit, but if I recall correctly: Special:ExpandTemplates page differs from using {{subst:}} in that ExpandTemplates shows you the final version of the page code, and {{subst:}} inserts the code that's one "step" down (so you should see the {{templates}} used in the template).
  • Pro tip: put User talk:Bibliophile into the "Context title" field to make {{talkheader}} render correctly on the Expand Templates special page.
  • Either way you play with it, you're going to end up with something a lot less neat that simply putting {{talkheader}} on the first line of the page. But if you still want to keep it neat, you can make a subpage to store the code away, and treat it like a template. Nothing especially magic about it, you can just create a page like User talk:Bibliophile/talkheader (or whatever you like), and then use that page as the template: {{User talk:Bibliophile/talkheader}}. Subpages of your User: page can only ever be edited by you, which isn't necessarily a good thing (nobody can help you edit those pages if you want a hand, and user page vandalism is close to non-existent on the Godwiki), but subpages in any other namespace, including User talk:, can be edited by anyone.
I use subpage templates pretty extensively through my user page. Since my subpages are in the Main namespace under Djonni, I need to use the Colon trick to use them as a template (i.e., {{:Djonni/Votes}}). Since your subpage would presumably be in the User talk: namespace, that shouldn't be necessary in this case. -- Djonni (talk) 05:27, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
I don’t have any practical experience with wikis, so I appreciate your tips! Sometimes I get tripped up just by mixing up the formatting used in the game forum/chronicle vs. the wiki. 😊
I’ve been reading the MediaWiki Help pages linked to in this wiki to better understand some of the terminology and formatting. I also do have experience with other languages used in responsive website development (HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript). Many of those concepts/syntax are similar in wikis so that it isn’t completely foreign.
From my prior experiences, I admit that coding isn’t my forte. I’m better at project management and/or coming up with ideas and spotting problems than manipulating code myself to achieve the result I want. It interests me, though, as much as it frustrates me.
I decided to finally create a User: Bibliophile and User talk: page partly as a way to improve my skills since I saw how the God template had parameters that enabled customization. Any changes, such as your helpful suggestions for the template, will be a gradual work in progress.
I hope to contribute more than that to the wiki, eventually. For now, I’m making minor fixes (typos, dead links, etc.) on the wiki pages I find. -- Bibliophile (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2020 (UTC)