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Guilds that make several pages

Some guilds make several pages, such as the Ahnk-Morpork City Watch (pages listed as "AMCW ___"). I think that's fine, but they take up space in the "backstage" category. Ideally I'd like all such pages to be sub pages of the guilds themselves, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I unilaterally decided to create the "Backguild" page (a portmanteau of "Backstage" and "guild") but I'm told that that isn't the best idea. Any suggestions as to how to solve the problem, without creating others? ElectroChip (talk) 13:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Different Conversation

Thank you for your note on my Talk page re: Main/Guide(?)page Talk page edit. It was actually supposed to be one of the "Thumbs Up" votes that Djonni asked for regarding approval/disapproval of modifying the page. But I see that my copy-paste failed to grab the unicode emoticon. Hmm. I know that I highlighted it, so maybe there is a transient bug in my Android interface with GodWiki. Thank you for letting me know it went wrong. -- SourceRunner, 19DEC2018.

Not at all, happy to help! My only concern was exactly that — that you might've intended to post something that didn't come through. I wanted to make sure you knew that'd happened.
On an entirely different note, just FYI you can sign messages automatically when posting to Talk pages (of any sort) by just typing four tildes at the end of your post (~~~~, or optionally -- ~~~~ to separate it from the text). — The wiki software will automatically fill in your name, links to your user page and talk page, and a timestamp, like so: -- FeRDNYC (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
(Oh, any by the by I've edited Talk:Main Page and added the missing emoji to your comment, so that's fixed up.) -- FeRDNYC (talk) 22:04, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Help:Requests page

Quick note to say Cheers for your feedback re: the Help:Requests page, both on my Talk page and the Wiki Questions Thread. All great suggestions! I've updated the Help:Requests page to include the four-tilde code for godname/date stamp, and also added my name to the Writing Volunteers section.

I'm always grateful for suggestions and tips, so if you see anything else like that, just fire a note my way. I do like to do things the Wiki way whenever possible; the problem is usually not knowing what I don't know... ;) Thanks again! -- Cham Almighty (talk) 18:32, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

JanuWiki Banner

The proposed JanuWiki banner for the main page on your Sandbox looks good. The color choice especially makes sense. SourceRunner (talk) 22:36, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Multi-column tables

I've made many changes within Bella Rebe's page based on your recommendations. Thank you for all of your help. Also, I redirected Sand Devil's talk page to USER:Sand Devil]s talk page per your recommendation. Thanks for looking out. ~ Sand Devil (U • C • T) , 28 January 2019 (3185 g.e.) Try 2 -- Sand Devil (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Question for you about this: Is there a way to limit the number of columns?
For example: a list of titles and their descriptions. Sure, they could collapse if the screen width is too small, but it'll look tacky to have more than 2 columns. or is it best to stick to wiki-tables for that? Sand Devil (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely! Just add |style={{column-count|n}} to the {{div col}} template (where n is an integer number), and it'll set the target column count to n. (Still allowing fewer if they don't fit, and widening them if necessary to only fit n columns in the available space.)
So a column set created with {{div col|colwidth=8em|style={{column-count|2}}}} is guaranteed to have no more than 2 columns, each at least 8em wide.
  • Item one
  • Item two
  • Item three
  • Item four
  • Item five
  • Item six
  • Item seven
  • Item eight
  • Item nine
...However, since you mentioned "a list of titles and their descriptions", do you mean a list of titles in one column, descriptions in the other? That, I would recommend against.
Multi-column lists aren't really meant for that, and it won't work out well in practice. For starters, if any of the items on the list ends up wrapping to more than one line, it won't be kept aligned with the corresponding item in the other column:
  • Item one
  • Item two which is really really long and ends up getting wrapped to be more than one line
  • Item three
  • Item four
  • Item five
  • Item six
  • Item seven
  • Item eight is also really long and gets wrapped to multiple lines, meaning that it can't be (reliably) lined up with anything in the left-hand column.
  • Item nine


Any sort of chart/grid-based data, where alignment of individual cells matters, is better formatted in a wikitable than with multi-column CSS. The multi-column formatting is really meant for lists that are meant to be read down from top-to-bottom, but (because they tend to be narrow) can be fit into multiple columns to save space.
Another option, though — other than tables — would be the third type of standard list. (<ol>...</ol> ordered lists and <ul>...</ul> unordered lists are the first two.) The third type is the <dl>...</dl> description list. It's meant to hold a two-level structure.
MediaWiki's shorthand for them is the semicolon and colon (; and :), same as talk page indentation. A line that starts with a ; begins a <dt>...</dt> element, whereas : starts a <dd>...</dd> element — either at the start of a new line, or on a line that starts with a ;. For example:
; Term 1
: Description for term 1
; Term 2
: Description for term 2
: More description for term 2
; Term 3 : Description for term 3
; Term 4
: Description for term 4
: More description for term 4
: Even more term 4 description
That would produce:
Term 1
Description for term 1
Term 2
Description for term 2
More description for term 2
Term 3
Description for term 3
Term 4
Description for term 4
More description for term 4
Even more term 4 description
...But if you also want to make it multi-column, then just like other wikilists you can't actually use that markup, so you have to write it as HTML. Meaning:
{{div col|colwidth=10em}}
<dl style="margin-top:0;">
<dt>Term 1</dt>
<dd>Description for term 1 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.</dd>
<dt>Term 2</dt>
<dd>Description for term 2 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.</dd>
<dt>Term 3</dt>
<dd>Description for term 3</dd>
<dt>Term 4</dt>
<dd>Description for term 4</dd>
<dd>Description for term 4<br>With more description for term 4<br>on three lines.</dd>
</dl>
{{div col end}}
Which will get you this:
Term 1
Description for term 1 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.
Term 2
Description for term 2 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.
Term 3
Description for term 3
Term 4
Description for term 4
With more description for term 4
on three lines.
(The reason I changed from multiple <dd>...</dd> lines to a single <dd>...</dd> per item with multiple lines separated by <br> line-breaks is because the multi-column wrapping will split up multiple <dd>...</dd> tags wherever it wants to across columns, whereas it tries to keep multiple lines together inside a single tag — though as you can see, the wrapping is still kind of a mess.)
Apparently this issue is a whole big thing with description lists, and in practice multi-column <dl>...</dl> lists don't work as well as multi-column <ul>...</ul> or <ol>...</ol> lists. Tables are probably the way to go. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
That stackoverflow question I linked to in my previous response also has an answer which provides a workable (if imperfect) solution to the wrapping issue, when using <dl>...</dl> lists.
If, instead of creating a multi-term description list, you create a single overarching unordered list (the same <ul>...</ul> we've used for the other multi-column lists), and then make each list item a separate <dl>...</dl> list, it'll be wrapped like other lists, treating each item as a single entity that shouldn't be split over column breaks.
So the following code (which I indented to make the structure more readable)...
<div style="margin-left:1.6em;border:1px solid gray;padding:0.2em;">
{{div col|colwidth=15em|style={{column-count|2}}}}
<ul style="margin-top:0; list-style:none; margin-left:0;">
<li>
  <dl style="margin-top:0;">
    <dt>Term 1</dt>
    <dd>Description for term 1 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.</dd>
  </dl>
</li>
<li>
  <dl style="margin-top:0;">
    <dt>Term 2</dt>
    <dd>Description for term 2 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.</dd>
  </dl>
</li>
<li>
  <dl style="margin-top:0;">
    <dt>Term 3</dt>
    <dd>Description for term 3</dd>
  </dl>
</li>
<li>
  <dl style="margin-top:0;">
    <dt>Term 4</dt>
    <dd>Description for term 4<br>With more description for term 4<br>on three lines.</dd>
  </dl>
</li>
</ul>
{{div col end}}
</div>
gets you...
  • Term 1
    Description for term 1 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.
  • Term 2
    Description for term 2 that's wider than the available column width and definitely wraps.
  • Term 3
    Description for term 3
  • Term 4
    Description for term 4
    With more description for term 4
    on three lines.
Which is a much better presentation of exactly the same list contents as the previous <dl>...</dl>-only solution. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 05:51, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Template

Hey FeRDNYC, I just read your message on my talk page about that template I made years ago. I didn't made the template for personal use, I wanted to be like a profile box template where you can add your own stuff. My mistake was naming the template wrong haha. Anyway, I moved it to my user page. One more thing though, I messed up while moving it and created a new page, do you have permission to delete pages? Tjorvi (talk) 16:31, 29 January 2019 (GMT-3)

Oh, cool, thanks a lot for fixing that up! Much appreciated.
Unfortunately I don't have page delete rights I'm afraid, really nobody does on the wiki. (The game admins do, but they generally don't get involved in wiki housekeeping unless it's a pressing need.) Believe me, I know where you're coming from. I've got a few pages under my own User:FeRDNYC space that I wish I could delete, too! Afraid we're just stuck with them, for now. Sorry!
(There's no limit on subpages per account, fortunately, so they're not really causing any problems being there. It's just clutter.) -- FeRDNYC (talk) 22:31, 29 January 2019 (UTC)