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Hi, friend or stranger! You've found your way to my Talk page. I'm GodDjonni , and this is one of the ways you can get in touch with me about anything game or wiki related. If you leave me a note here, I'll reply here. You can click here to start a conversation with me about a new topic below. If you prefer you're also welcome to add me as a friend in the game and message me directly there. I'll reply equally promptly to either.

You'll also note, if you're a little experienced in how the wiki works, that my page is not in the User: namespace. This is on purpose — I'm perfectly happy for others to make changes to my page. If I have a problem with it I'll just undo the edit, just like any other page. And if for whatever reason I'm not around, then it doesn't really matter anyway!

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Old and/or inactive discussions have been moved to the /Archive subpage.

(Actually I'm a bit late, but close enough...)

🎢 Twenty, twenty, twenty-four hours to go... 🎡 (Note: Offsite link)

...This also serves as a demonstration of the easily-abused power of class="plainlinks", which I shall now apply to the wiki-local URL links in the hatnotes and JanuWiki 2019 article. (Dunno why I didn't think of this before.) -- FeRDNYC (talk) 23:08, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

JanuWiki side job progress

A question that occurred to me, regarding side job progress β€” how can "best five" contests have _progress_? The judging can't take place until the end of the event, at which point it goes from 0% to 100% pretty much instantly. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 00:38, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I see your point... I added a heading "Side job candidate articles" to each, and may scrap the "Progress" {{diaryquest}}s, but I wanted to give your new |side= formatting an airing ;) -- Djonni (talk) 22:53, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

bullet-wrap not working in {{Navbox list}}

Hey, it looks like {{Navbox list|bullet-wrap=yes}} isn't working β€” I pulled the list transclusion for the JanuWiki navbox quests into Special:ExpandTemplates and the generated output is identical with or without the bullet-wrap param. (Here's the code I tested:)

{{Navbox list|bullet=🍻|bullet-wrap=yes
| [[Brew a storm in a teacup]]
| [[Deliver some sour gnomish beer to the dark elves]]
| [[Find out how to turn a golden brick into a pint of beer]]
| [[Sing all of β€œ99 bottles of beer on the wall!”]]
| [[Sit in a tavern and write fake diary entries]] <span style{{=}}"font-size: x-small; display: inline-block; vertical-align: middle;">βœ”</span>

Ideally what I'd like to be able to do, is tell it to format the items without the white-space:nowrap, but still tie the bullets themselves to the item they follow with a non-breaking space before them. It wasn't entirely clear to me whether that was possible (or supposed to be possible) with the template, and certainly "|bullet-wrap=yes" sounds like a strange way to express that sort of thing if it is. But the syntax is unimportant right now, the question of if/how is what matters.

...Anyway, as a result of the big, nowrap-styled quest titles, the JanuWiki navbox is formatting way too wide on mobile and sticking off the edge of the screen. Think you could take a look when you have a moment? Thx!

Oh, totally unrelated to this, and of absolutely no urgency whatsoever, but See Also: my idea at Template talk:Navbox list when you've got a few moments (which might not be until February, and totally understandable if that's the case). -- FeRDNYC (talk) 10:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed you added |bullet-wrap=yes to {{Navbox JanuWiki 2019}}, and it reminded me that the semantics of the two wrapping options at {{Navbox}} isn't great is terrible.
I had the "clever" idea of making Template:Navbox list/Space hold a space character — the idea being, if we decided to replace every &#32; space in every navbox list with a &thinsp;, or &ensp;, or whatever, we just change that one thing. In retrospect that's not easier than simply coding the space into the template, so I might rewrite it a bit, since that makes it difficult for me to do the behaviour you've described without mediawikiwiki:Module:String installed. But as I'm typing this a possibility occurs to me...
Would this achieve the expected behaviour? [[Long multi-word navbox list item]]<span style="white-space: nowrap;"> β€’</span> [[Next long link]] πŸ€” I'll have to have a bit of a play with that.
I also saw your suggestion at Template talk:Navbox list, which I'll answer over there... apologies for reading without acknowledging. I've thought about it though, and my conclusion is that (even though it would be a bit of work to overhaul now) having {{Navbox list}} apply wiki-linking to the entries is not only obvious, but always should have been the default behaviour. More over there.
Soooo yeah, that might wait until after JanuWiki πŸ˜… but in order to make the quests in the JanuWiki navbox more functional I'll work on that, uh... soon. -- Djonni (talk) 16:41, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
And no, [[Long multi-word navbox list item]]<span style="white-space: nowrap;"> β€’</span> [[Next long link]] doesn't seem to behave as I'd hoped, the bullet wraps as if the <span>...</span> isn't there. Back to the drawing board. I think I'll just have to drop support for |space= and simply hard-code the spaces. -- Djonni (talk) 17:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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JanuWiki 2019 post-mortem

Hi Djonni, I'm FeRDNYC. With JanuWiki 2019 wrapped up, we're having a post-mortem discussion over at its talk page to get a handle on what worked, what didn't, and what lessons we can learn for future events. As a participant in the event, your insights would be invaluable. We'd love it if you could share any feedback you might have. Feel free to join us at Talk:JanuWiki 2019! -- FeRDNYC (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hello from Lelotif

Sorry to appear like this but I wanted to say thank you for polishing my Demotivational Speaker page. That monster was the first of many monsters I wanted to bring to life but lacked the level. And, if you don't mind, could you teach me how to upload images? I made one for my Frost Mite. Again, thank you and sorry to intrude. --Lelotif (talk) 19:33, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey there! Hope you don't mind that I moved this here, a User talk: page (like this one) is where these conversations traditionally happen. Your User talk:Lelotif page will be where other wiki users are likely to leave any notes for you. :)
And you're very welcome, I enjoyed both Demotivational Speaker and Frost Mite! I was a touch distracted today so I hope my edits were good and my summaries weren't too brusque, heh.
And I'm delighted to help with pictures, or anything at all. There's a bit on pictures in the Creators Manual, which should be in decent shape... I haven't logged at it in a while but I know WardPhoenix have the guidelines a lot of love recently so they've been in good hands!
For Frost Mite, though, I've made it especially easy for you by popping a blank {{monster}} template on there ready to fill in. If you open the Frost Mite page for editing, you'll find the parameters of the monster template at the top ready to fill in. Replace the text that says <!--An image filename (e.g. Example_picture_name.jpg). If the filename doesn't exist, this gives you a link to upload it. --> with a suitable filename β€” say, frost-mite.jpg, or whatever β€” then save the changes. Where the default picture was in the monster template you'll now have a clickable link that will take you straight to the right place to upload the file. Tahdah!
If you have any trouble or questions, add me and I'll talk you through it, or reply here, or leave a note on Help:Requests, or ask anyone whose name appears in Special:RecentChanges regularly making the kind of edits you want to ask about (everyone's pretty friendly around here) 😊
And most of all, keep it up and have fun making creative, interesting, and funny content for the entire game community (and beyond) to enjoy. Personally, I know that contributing to and reading the wiki has expanded what I get out of (and put into) Godville in immeasurable ways. --Djonni (talk) 20:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

My Godwiki Page

Howdy, I'm The Quantus, I've kinda just made my Godwiki page.

To be honest I think it's pretty good, content-wise at least.

Was hoping you'd cast an eye over it. Edit away if you have time. Give me advice if you've less time. Tell me it's wrong if you have no time, but could you tell my why it's wrong if that's the case 😊

I'd kinda like it to be perfect!

Cheers in advance!

The Quantus β€” Preceding comment added by The Quantus (talk β€’ contribs) 8 September 2019β€Ž

Hi there The Quantus! I moved your nice comment here to my proper User talk:Djonni page, as Talk:Djonni is supposed to only be a redirect page to here. :)
Now, to your question. I'm definitely happy to take a look at your page, and have tried now twice to do so and keep getting interrupted. So, this is me saying I'll absolutely take a look, as soon as I have 15 uninterrupted minutes... Promise!
(P.S. If you end your talk page messages with this: -- ~~~~ it will come out looking like this:) -- Djonni (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, this really is my first wiki edit experience. Just booted up the old laptop, as i'm mainly a windows mobile user. I know! And yeah... i understand none of the code side i'm seeing apart from kinda the code/codenowiki/nowiki stuff, or if i'm replying properly. To be honest this is also a test message as well as a thank you. -- The Quantus (talk) 18:31, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
Your replies are fine! You might notice that adding a : at the very start of a line indents it one level. It's customary to indent a reply one level below what you're replying to, so it's much easier for readers to follow a thread. Otherwise, you're good. :)
As for the code and nowiki stuff... <code>text</code> just formats a span of text like this to distinguish it metatextually as some kind of code, symbol, or keyboard input. The <nowiki>something here</nowiki> indicates to the wiki software that something here is not to be interpreted as code of any kind (wiki, html, or otherwise) and is to be printed to the page exactly as it is. Sometimes you'll see it as <nowiki /> with no content for fancy reasons of tricking the wiki software into behaving some specific way, or tricking it into not recognising something (like, for example, if I actually want the first character in the line to be a :, I could do <nowiki />: or <nowiki>:</nowiki>, whichever I like.). You're not likely to need that unless for some reason you decide to get right into the deep nuts and bolts of some of the more complex templates. (A template, by the way, is {{one of these}}. You are using the {{usergod}} template on your user page, for example.)
To which! Your user page. :)
It can be tricky to give feedback on a user's godwiki page, 'cause really, you should be making it into whatever the hell you like! A narrative chronicle (like yours), a temple to your towering ego (like mine), an anal retentive painstaking record of your hero(ine)'s life (like so many are), an absurd self-parody of your quixotic obsessions (like mine), a densely nested collection of in-jokes and mutual admiration (like so many are), any or all of the above in combination and more. It can really be anything you want. I see you've started adding templates and formatting, which is great, and which I was going to suggest after my first glance. You appear to be an old school HTML guy, as I note you're using hard-coded HTML bold and italics tags (<b>...</b> and <i>...</i>) and even *wince* <u>...</u>.
Now... don't get me wrong, it ain't lip service that you can do as you like with your user page. There are some godwiki user pages that are enthusiastic and unabashed monstrosities of design gone wrong. And that's cool, no problem. But there are some pretty good reasons to not use <b>, <i>, or *shudder* <u>. If you're curious and interested, you can do some reading about why (here's a decent brief explanation), but there's a quick guide to formatting text on the Creators Manual § Formatting. Rather than using <b><u>Heading</u></b> for headings, I suggest you use the wikicode that makes it an actual heading:
==The Cautionary Tale of Roderick the Blind==
Which becomes:
The Cautionary Tale of Roderick the Blind
People using bad screens, small screens, or people with vision impairment, or people who simply use screen readers for convenience will thank you for not using manual formatting, and letting the wiki take care of it. And if you do decide to keep expanding your page with more sections, those headers will become the table of contents automagically. The more =s you use, the smaller (lower level) the heading is. More explanation at Creators Manual § Headers.
Now, that's formatting out of the way. I won't give unsolicited input on content, so if you'd like that kind of input then say so and I can do it here or privately. But, suffice to say I enjoyed your origin story so far! It's the kind of story you might actually find in a god's chronicles, which is a feature of the game you may or may not have discovered yet! The Pantheon of Storytelling is the pantheon that recognises the best chronicles on Godville, and you might find reading some of the highly rated chronicles on the πŸ† Storytelling  pantheon a way to spark inspiration for more of your own creativity. I love reading good chronicles, and I'm often amazed at how interesting and funny some of our fellow deities can be.
If you do decide to transplant your writing from your wiki page to your chronicle (found at the bottom of your GodThe Quantus  god page), do note that the formatting there is different again (details found at the bottom of the Hero's Chronicles page). Some people like long chronicles, some like short, so don't try too hard to please the crowds and just put there what you feel is your best contribution! :)
Please don't hesitate to ask for any more input, or any more questions you have. I'm always delighted to help, and it's a good distraction when work's frustrating. ;) -- Djonni (talk) 11:48, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Additional: Hah! I actually looked, and noticed that that actually is your chronicle, and that it's all nicely formatted over there and everything. Nice! -- Djonni (talk) 11:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Well! I can see why you're on the help list! Damn near perfect response, thank you.
Formatting: No problem on switching, if it suits the more modern :P way of doing things more than happy to learn. Plus it's a page of my very own to mess about on. Good spot on old school! You've no idea! However I'm spotting quite a few similarities. Which is nice, i don't have to travel to far from my pterodactyl. Going to slowly add links (in a wiki fashion) and other flourishes as I find them. One thing i seem to be missing is how to move text down a line without it being either a new paragraph or bullet point of some kind. Would it have to be indented kinda like these chat paragraphs? I'd prefer not, but i could live with it.
The Good Stuff: I've really no problem with grammar, or even style, tips or criticism! Let me know what you think. I'm not done with the page, more sections now need to be added. However let loose on what's there. The middle section of the chronicles part bothers me, seems a bit 'rushed' perhaps more action to balance the introductions and consequences? Or even just a small re-write, flesh it out a bit?
Really looking forward to what you have to say. -- The Quantus (talk) 21:20, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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(The old <br> will work fine too, just that the semantics of markup require that anything that's opened must be closed. So, a single tag with no content must close itself. Hence, />, making a self-closing tag, like with <nowiki />, and another you'll see used at the bottom of every page with footnotes or references, <references />)

A bit later today (probably) I'll give your page a content read then! I had zero experience with wikis when I started fooling around on here, and was patiently and supportively guided by others who, I'm sad to say, are now mostly inactive. (But such is the nature of Godville, they may return one day. I'm certainly been guilty of taking long unannounced sabaticals, heh.) But we now have a small team of active editors, as well as gnomes and gardeners. We are all friendly and helpful, without exception, and will leave notes on talk pages or tinker with edits where we see a way to improve or advise.

Some little pieces of advice that have given me a deep understanding of the wiki over time, some (or many or all) of which you may already be all over:

  • Keep you eyes on Special:RecentChanges. On mobile, it's in the links at the very bottom of the page. On desktop, it's in the links at the left-hand side. You'll notice that the majority (by far) of edits to the wiki are to guild pages, and then after that probably edits to user pages. Both of those are probably very interesting to you right now, but will quickly become less interesting than all the other edits going on. Edit summaries should give brief explanations, and you can use the history of the page to see precisely what changes are made. (The history function on mobile is terrible and semi-broken, so if you can't figure out what's going on look at it on desktop.)
  • The Godwiki is a plain, run-of-the-mill MediaWiki wiki with very few extensions nor bells 'n whistles beyond the basic set. So, that means that there's a metric butt-tonne of helpful information out there about how a wiki like that works, starting and usually ending with the afore-linked MediaWiki wiki. Want a thorough understanding of image options? mediawikiwiki:Help:Images' gotcha covered. Want the fine detail on how <ref>...</ref> and <references /> work? mediawikiwiki:Extension:Cite, boom. My first strategy when I can't remember or need to learn something about the wiki is the google "mediawiki feature or keyword" and follow whatever is the top result from or (in that order of preference).
  • For your user page (and I note you've started tinkering with your guild's page too, great!), the most interesting collection of templates to begin with will be the formatting templates. Each of them is (hopefully) well-documented, and if they aren't, they should be, as they'll be often looked at by wiki newbies who are coming to grips with what all this junk is and how it works. Don't be afraid to look under the hood at the code, though do be afraid to save changes, as they are usually used very widely across the wiki and it would be pretty easy to break a lot of pages, eheh. But if you are looking at an interesting template, like, say, {{Diaryquest}}, and you want to see examples of how it's used in the wild, you can hit "What links here" (LHS on desktop, page bottom on mobile) to see where it's used. (For some templates that will be a VERY long list.)
  • That said... though mucking about with the live versions of very widely used templates is unwise, generally speaking, messing about with pretty much anything on the wiki is pretty safe. Every single edit can be undone with two or three clicks. Simple as that. As long as your tinkering doesn't violate the rules, there's really no way to break the wiki's eggs so much that they can't be unscrambled within seconds. One major caveat to that, however, is your own User page. You are the only person with permission to edit your User page in any way. That's a blessing and a curse, since it's protected from anyone else making changes, which means it's sadly protected from anyone else making changes for you. :) But you always have the option to undo an edit (on desktop, in page history).

πŸ€” This was just gonna be a quick, short note, and as usual I've gone from short note to extended lecture. Must drink coffee and get ready for work. More anon! -- Djonni (talk) 05:35, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Hoping my indents are right there <- i toyed with popping lots of :'s </notanemoji></sarcasmcodetoo> on, but you'd reset the 'start point' and i figure - keep it simple? Thanks once again for the response. I got away for the weekend, so mine is a tad delayed. However again you covered everything. I've been looking through the templates and various wiki codes and am getting quite excited.
Whilst I think my page is now pretty much going to be fun content to add now. The topic of my guildpage has caused a touch of discussion in the DA's guild council (great place to hang out btw - guild plugged). One thought was, as it's quite old, and from the original DA members, should we archive it? If the group consensus turns this way, what would the prefered method of doing this be? I'm guessing starting a new page - calling it the DA guild original archive or something (better name needed) and copy pasting all the older data into it?? With appropriate notes and references? I.e. "if you're looking for...."
On the other hand: I'm pushing more for an update, an addition of information rather than a re-start. I'm hoping to incorporate all the info that's there at the moment, maybe smarten it up (i'm enticed by the collapse-able tables). I'm having to wait a little to find out which though. Really hoping its the second though.
Still very much looking forward to a breakdown of my pages content and grammar. Don't feel like you'll offend. Criticism breeds improvement! Plus i'll have something to strive for as i add to it. -- The Quantus (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Article Deletion

I was sure that I'd seen page deletion activity recently. On checking admin contributions though, there is no evidence of this (unless I'm looking in the wrong place). -- S624 (talk) 19:09, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

The place to look would be in Special:Logs, but nobody but the Devs has the permissions for that. You're right that they do delete pages that are somehow a problem — vandalism and spam pages have been removed in the last month or two, and I know that historically pages with inappropriate or copyrighted material have been deleted, if an edit isn't enough. But there are 179 items in Category:Marked for deletion, and since User:Spode became inactive, no user has been granted any administrative rights that would allow them to permanently delete a page.
Which, really, isn't that big a deal. A hypothetical future admin would have a lot of other priorities, like giving the wiki CSS a badly needed upgrade, selectively popping in some useful, low-risk extensions (mediawikiwiki:Extension:Thanks, Scalable Vector Graphics support, etc etc etc...), fixing some of the, erm... quirks of image cache timeouts, and a bunch of other under-the-hood stuff. And honestly, we manage okay without a user admin, and I know that I for one wouldn't really want the responsibility/blame that would come with it, haah! πŸ˜‰ -- Djonni (talk) 13:41, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
In a related note, if you think that there's something on the wiki that really needs the Devs to intervene to delete content or limit a user's access, like spam, vandalism, or discriminatory, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate content, my advice is to submit an Other into Ideabox with the details. They have always responded promptly to my requests there, if necessary. -- Djonni (talk) 16:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarifications / confirmations on recent page deletions Djonni. I run into the access issue on Special:Logs as well. -- S624 (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh hey, it turns out we can see the deletion log, just not the general log! Special:Log/delete -- Djonni (talk) 07:29, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Blanking pages

Regarding the previous discussion I could easily answer yes to that question, but that would be a lie. I already restored the pages and i am sorry for what i have done. Do what you must. β€” Preceding unsigned comment added by Zelthal the Hollow (talk β€’ contribs) 25 October 2019β€Ž

Well, seeing as you've self-corrected the problem, I personally don't see any reason why further steps should be taken, though you should be aware that any user of the Godwiki can see every edit that's made and will make their own decision about whether it should be reported. That includes GodFalsakhar  themself, who will be able to see the full history of every affected page, and this conversation.
I would also suggest that you undo the fourth edit you made, (Tick.png Done -- Djonni (talk) 09:26, 26 October 2019 (UTC)) which was removing a legitimate (if out of date and unanswered) question that Falsakhar asked on BlueStapler's talk page years ago.
The lesson here is that the Godwiki is not the place to take personal issues between players, nor is it the place for any practical jokes or pranks which violate the rules or create confusion or nuisance for other players. That said, you did the right thing to undo your vandalism yourself, so well done for that.
Note to reader: This conversation is a continuation of User talk:Zelthal the Hollow#Blanking pages that may belong to another God regarding the blanking of content belonging to Falsakhar. -- Djonni (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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