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==General topics==

From what I've heard, there are three main traits to pets in this game so far, rideable, fighting, and healing. Fetching items may or may not be a fourth. I only listed rideable, as that is confirmable with the iOS app, which says if a pet is rideable or not.  My Dandy Lion, however, never heals my hero, so I'm pretty sure the others are yes or no as well. Could be interesting to add those columns, but a lot more data is needed. --[[User:Epoch|Epoch]] 15:58, 18 September 2012 (BST)

I wouldn't mind a Feral Hero being a pet, seeing as they're incapable of much else. That would be quite fun. --Saphanon

I just got a Hyper Lynx at level 90. I'll edit after verifying dungeon-ability. --[[User:Beeporama|Beeporama]] ([[User talk:Beeporama|talk]]) 16:42, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Level ranges for pets are larger for those who have completed an ark. So I'm not sure the level range table really makes sense in its current form. My suggestion is to split level range into 2 columns - one for pre-ark (essentially the data which is currently there), and another for post-ark (which as far as I know, is not at all well-understood). But as more people complete their arks and tame pets outside the pre-ark range, I'm afraid they will update the table accordingly, making it misleading for pretty much everyone. --[[User:Apathanos|Apathanos]] 23:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

My hero is currently level 80 (about to hit 81) and just tamed a terror bull. Here is a link to my hero if you'd like to verify it: https://godvillegame.com/gods/Viola%20Rosaline - I am post-ark so maybe that has something to do with your theory Apathanos.

== healing pets ==

What cammand do I give to heal an unconscious pet? None have wored yet. [[User:Lord Azaroth|Lord Azaroth]] ([[User talk:Lord Azaroth|talk]]) 01:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

There are no specific commands- the hero does this on their own!  [[User:Blipintheheavens|Blipintheheavens]] ([[User talk:Blipintheheavens|talk]]) 21:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Pets information is all over the place ==

At the moment, pets information is spread ''all over'' the wiki. We have:

* This page, '''Pets''', which has some miscellaneous info, the [[Pets#List_of_pets|list of pets]], and:
** A sub-heading that (essentially) just links out to a page [[Pet names]]
** A sub-heading that (essentially) just links out to a page [[Pet Personalities]], with a passing mention of ''features'' (which are called ''abilities'' in the list immediately above)
** A sub-heading that (essentially) directs you to an afterthought section of the hero [[resurrection]] page for information on <s>resurrection</s> revival.
** A heading that describes uses of pets, including some more information about the <s>features</s> abilities
** Information about the Animist Medal, which is great ({{m|idea}} why is there no page explaining all the medals?)
** Some diary entries, okay, sure.

So, information about the topic of pets is spread across, if my count is right:
* [[Pets]], including the list of pets
* [[Pet names]]
* [[Pet Personalities]]
* [[Resurrection]] (gah)

''"So why not just fix it, Djonni?"''

I'm not honestly sure of the best way to fix this, or even how much should be "fixed". It just seems really ''messy'' like this. Maybe all or some of these steps:

* Merge the information from the [[Pet names]] and [[Pet Personalities]] pages into this page, into <tt>mw-collapsible</tt> (and <tt>mw-collapsed</tt>) tables so you don't end up scrolling forever, with redirects from original locations to the relevant section headers. This would work fine on desktop, but <tt>mw-collapsible</tt> is ignored on mobile
** Alternatively, merge the information in [[Pet Personalities]] into [[Pet names]], since it barely deserves a page of its own but is probably too much data to sanely tabulate into this page
* Merge knocked out & revival information here, where it obviously should be, and simply a note in [[Resurrection]] saying it's moved
* An overall fairly heavy rewrite/restructure of this page in general

Those last two I think are definites. Thoughts or alternatives from anyone interested? --[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

: Afterthought: is there some clever way to use transclusion, or partial (<tt>noinclude</tt>, <tt>includeonly</tt>?) here? The more I think about this, the more I lean towards "no", but putting it down for later mulling.--[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:04, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

: Oh, and I completely forgot about [[Pet Levels]] but... I'll be honest, that should ''really'' just stay where it is. --[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:16, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

::I think that merging the entire pet section of the Resurrection page in the Pet page would be a bit too much &mdash; more than a half of the entire page is actually just about reviving pets. I also think that it deserves a rewrite as well, to make it less confused and more readable &mdash; there is a lot of repeating or just irrelevant information in there.

::So I’d make a Knocked Out Pet heading in the Pets page, add the basic information there and then I would maybe make a new page called Pet Reviving Tips and put most of the strategies to revive pet from the Resurrection page there. --[[User:Terezka|Terezka]] ([[User talk:Terezka|talk]]) 11:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

:::Yeah, looking at it again today you're right that there's a ''lot'' of text in the pet revival & tips sections of [[Resurrection]]. I still think firmly that that's not the right place for it, but I'm tending to agree with you that neither is this. Your suggestion for a [[Pet revival tips]] page could be right. And yeah, you're right, much of that text needs a lot of red ink.

:::I also note that today's edition of Godville Times features the [[Pet Personalities]] page that I'm so determined to remove. Maybe (partial?) transclusion isn't such a terrible approach after all, leaving the original page where it is. Perhaps the introductory paragraph at [[Pet Personalities]] gets rewritten so that it can be <tt><transcludonly></tt>'d into [[Pet names]], maybe even [[Pets]]? ''I'm going transclusion mad I tell you, '''mad'''.''

:::I dunno, I'm a little tired. But you're definitely right that all that text from resurrection can't go here, and can't stay there. I keep finding [[Category_talk:Pets|random Talk pages]] where people are asking questions about pets, pet mechanics, personalities, revival, etc, so it's really clear to me that how all this information is currently held in the wiki is not serving its audience adequately. --[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 12:23, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

::::Well, so far I made the [[Pets#Knocked out and unconscious pet|Knocked out and unconscious pet]] section a level two heading. I also added the basic information from the [[Resurrection]] page, along with some other things I noticed the last time my hero revived his pet. I’m also going to try to move all the relevant information from the resurrection page into its own page, and go through it to make it more concise and useful. Not sure when though, I got other stuff I should be doing instead. ;)

::::As for the [[Pet Names]] and [[Pet Personalities]], I don’t think the Pet Personalities page needs to be necessarily removed. Merging those two together seems like a hell of a list. But I do agree that it’s a bit illogical for those two to be completely separate. I’d suggest to maybe write a mention of the other one in both introductory paragraphs, maybe even put a transclusion there. Although I have no idea how exactly should such transclusion work… --[[User:Terezka|Terezka]] ([[User talk:Terezka|talk]]) 15:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

{{outdent|:::::}}Well I've expanded the introductions to [[Pet Personalities]], and turned both the personalities and [[Pet Names|names]] lists into tables. It's an improvement. --[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 02:23, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

:So, I think I managed to seperate the [[Strategies for Pet Healing]] from the [[Resurrection]] page successfully. Hopefully there are no loose ends left. 

:Also, I think that the expanded introductions are much better. --[[User:Terezka|Terezka]] ([[User talk:Terezka|talk]]) 08:34, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

== Pre-Ark levels for high level pets ==

Right now, according to the pantheon of arkeology, the highest level {{heroes and heroines}} who are without a completed ark are level 78.

Do we really need duplicated information for pre-ark pets with minimum taming levels above 100? Or even above 80? I'd like to fill those cells with an {{tlx|N/a|<nowiki><ref>{{Heroes and Heroines}} of these levels have completed their arks.</ref></nowiki>}}, if nobody objects. I'll do so from Terror Bull (level 88) and down, unless we think that's too low. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 10:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

: Is there actually a point at seperating pre and post ark? When you look at the data, the levels seems awfully similar to me. --[[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 11:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

:: 🤔 Y'know what? Perhaps there isn't a point to it... the "fact" that taming ranges are extended after completing the ark has been built in here for a looong time, but I can't find any evidence for it. It's not in {{Cite blog|78|auto}}, where the perks of an ark are announced. It's not stated in [https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.godville.net%2F%25D0%259A%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D1%2587%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B3 the Russian wiki page for arks,] nor their [https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.godville.net%2F%25D0%259F%25D0%25B8%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2586 page for pets.] Nor is it in the [https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fgodville.net%2Fblog%2Fpost%2F189 Russian blog post.]

::Honestly, I'm pretty much in agreement that there's no change to taming levels pre or post Ark, and the information from the columns should be folded into one... but perhaps this needs a bit more feedback from folks before we jump in, as some people may disagree strongly on this one. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 14:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

::: Linking to [https://godvillegame.com/forums/redirect_to_post/1?post=1323773 this forum post] here for future reference, I finally found evidence supporting pre- and post-ark taming differences. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 05:43, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

:::: {{m|done}} As part of an edit that adds information about the new looting pets to the table, I've been a little bold in fixing the tamable levels of all pets in the table. Sometimes the data was very poor, so there's a bit of best-guesswork in it; but if people continue to update this table when they tame a pet outside the listed levels, it's easy to deduce the correct level ranges from this. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 14:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

== New pets: "Looting"? ==

I've updated the pets table with a column for new pets announced today ({{Cite blog|138}}). I've provisionally used the description "looting" for this new ability, but wanted to make it a discussion point in case anyone has a better name for it. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 14:27, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

== "Healing" and "Fighting" pet types ==

I have come to believe that, despite the historical beliefs of players, there ''are'' in fact Healing and Fighting pets. There's plenty of evidence for this, but in brief:

* {{Cite blog|121|auto}} specifically mentions healing pets learning a new trick;

* As far as we can tell, the mechanics of pets on English and Russian Godvilles are identical &ndash; except for ''this''. I can fathom no reason whatsoever why the code for these two types of pets would be cut from GV-en; that's a huge difference in the underlying code for no reason whatsoever.

* There are recorded examples in the articles for various pets that are considered "not special" of diary entries that ''don't'' appear for other pets. For example, in [[Ballpoint Penguin]]: <q>Aware of the health benefits he offers, Pumba carefully rubbed against me with his soft fur</q>; [[Talking Donkey]]: <q>Null followed me into the hospital ward and diligently rubbed against my leg with his healing fur</q>; [[Bipolar Bear]]: <q>Dogmeat suddenly flew into a rage and breathed fire at the opponent. We were all shocked. What other hidden talents does my pet have?</q>

At [[User talk:Cordarion the Grey#"?" in Pets table]], one simple approach that was brought up was to simply add two more columns to the Pets table for Healing and Fighting, fill those with question marks (unless the pet typology can be determined, as per previous examples), and allow the player community to populate the table themselves over time. Similar changes can be made to {{tlx|Navbox pets}} to include these two categories and change "Normal" to "Uncategorised".

{{u|Cordarion the Grey}} also suggested that there are probably pet classes that have more than one feature, which... to be honest, I'm less convinced by that, but agree that it's possible. At the very least, restructuring the [[Pets]] table, {{tlx|Navbox pets}}, {{tlx|Monster}} infobox, and adding explanatory text to the [[Pets]] page would allow people to begin contributing better information about their pets &mdash; as well as allow them to value their "boring", "normal", "not special" pets a whole lot more.

Any thoughts on this from you, dear reader? -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 08:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

: I do agree that healing pets are probably a thing. I am more sceptical on fighting ones (I mean all pets are figthing so what differenciates them?) and multiclassed ones. 
: As for the rest, those are great ideas. -- [[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 09:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:: {{tqi|q=y|all pets are figthing so what differenciates them?}} Are they '''''really''''' though? You currently have a [[thesaurus rex]], if I'm not mistaken. Did your thesaurus rex ever {{tqi|q=y|suddenly flew into a rage and breathed fire at the opponent}}? I don't ever recall my [[gummy wyrm]] nor [[philosoraptor]] doing that. I agree that all pets are ''there'' and sometimes get involved in fights in minor ways; but there are a class of pets that really fight and attack monsters in ways that other pets don't. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 09:52, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

: {{tqi|q=y|there are probably pet classes that have more than one feature, which... to be honest, I'm less convinced by that}} According to the [[Dandy Lion#Diary_Entries|Dandy Lion]]’s wiki page, it is both rideable and can breath fire. There are few (currently 4) pets with even 3 abilities in Russian Godville; most of them are high-level. — [[User:Cordarion the Grey|Cordarion the Grey]] ([[User talk:Cordarion the Grey|talk]]) 10:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:: So perhaps it's multi-classing which has actually caused this belief here that ''any'' pet can fight when, in fact, only a subset can do this. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:::{{tqi|q=y|Did your thesaurus rex ever "suddenly flew into a rage and breathed fire at the opponent"?}}
:::{{diary|11:50 One bite from Osborn was all the Harrier Pigeon needed to feel outnumbered and lose its will to fight.}}
:::Got this for information. This wasn't the entry for killed monster (got Harrier pigeon get killed the next entry). -- [[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 11:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:::: Well then, it seems perhaps your [[thesaurus rex]] is both fighting and riding. 😊 Because the [[philosoraptor]] does ''not'' do this. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:08, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

: Could you explain what changes to {{tlx|Monster}} are necessary? As far as I see, the template itself is fine, and we have to just populate pets’ features on the individual monsters’ pages. — [[User:Cordarion the Grey|Cordarion the Grey]] ([[User talk:Cordarion the Grey|talk]]) 12:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:: No major changes; I would probably just tweak it so that {{para|pet-feature}} shows a default ''Unknown'' value if not set, to encourage the owners of these pets to look into it and populate the field. But if we don't think that's a good idea, I'm not too fussed about it. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 16:54, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

::: That ''is'' a good idea, thanks! I prepared the discussed changes for those three pages (and Template:Monster/Documentation). Should we wait for a week or so before committing them? — [[User:Cordarion the Grey|Cordarion the Grey]] ([[User talk:Cordarion the Grey|talk]]) 10:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

{{outdent|:::}}{{u|Cordarion the Grey}}, that was fast work, very nice! But let's hold off; I don't feel like we've got consensus about this. I'm still interested to hear if {{u|WardPhoenix}} still objects to this at all, or anyone else who hasn't yet joined the conversation. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 12:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

: Not much, I find it hard to differentiate flavor entry from abilities ones but Godville never made it easy to gather data in the first place 😅. 
: Also it might be interesting to communicate about this not-so-new find so people are not taken aback when reading Godwiki and helps gather data. -- [[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 12:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

:: Yeah, I agree about communicating, though I'm a little trepidatious that there'll be a lot of criticism and push-back 🤷‍♂️ But you're right, it's the best way to approach it.

:: So if {{u|WardPhoenix}} is onboard, then I think we should roll out the changes to the relevant pages, {{u|Cordarion the Grey}}. Once the changes are in place, I think it's worth us putting together as much information as we can (e.g., the examples we have identified above, for a start, and anything else we have evidence for), and then we can take it to the forum. I'll link the forum communication back to this Talk topic in the hopes that people will engage constructively with it instead of just argue about it on the forum, but we'll see.

:: So, yeah 👍 Let's go ahead. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 06:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

::: Just adding this note here for the sake of my own humility, and so that {{u|WardPhoenix}} can feel a little smug satisfaction, haha.

::: {{diary|12:34 My philosoraptor belched out a huge ball of fire right at the Monty Python.}}

::: 🤦‍♂️ After all that... turns out [[philosoraptor]]s ''are'' Fighting pets after all 😂 -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:44, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

== "Speciality" and possible taming level alteration ==

Perhaps I'm a little late with what's gone above in terms of finding the range cap of levels to tame a pet post-ark, but I've seen that my hero tamed a Heffalump on <u>level 74</u>, a little above the 69 as noted at present and true to what was recorded before that edit. Just noting that out.

Also, this may be of possible significance and hope I'm not leaking anything out of the ordinary, but I saw a hidden field in the browser under the name "Speciality" (or Specialty for American English) by inspecting the pet block element. I think that wasn't there before as I saved a snapshot of the superhero page and it didn't have that.

Do with that info as you will. [[User:Hankvi Guidza|Hankvi Guidza]] ([[User talk:Hankvi Guidza|talk]]) 12:57, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for saying so, {{u|Hankvi Guidza}}, many of the level ranges in the original, pre-[https://wiki.godvillegame.com/index.php?title=Pets&diff=122286&oldid=122284 overhaul] table were too wide to be accurate, and I had to make a best guess as to what the true range was. I'm bound to have guessed wrong for one or two; I've adjusted up the ranges of Heffalump taming to 45-74, and of course it can be adjusted again if needed.

:Also, I just had a peak at that "Speciality" element and yes, you're quite right, incredibly sharp spotting! I just checked and there's a similar field in the same place in the Russian page, titled "Особенность" ("Feature"), which is also <code>style="display: none;"</code>, presumably waiting to be awoken and show us ''exactly'' what our pets can do! Tantalising! -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 14:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

::Oh I thought it could possibly mean without raising the minimum cap but alright. Really does sound exciting how this would go. [[User:Hankvi Guidza|Hankvi Guidza]] ([[User talk:Hankvi Guidza|talk]]) 16:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

: I’m sorry to disappoint you, but this field has been around for several years. And it has always been both hidden and empty.

: How exactly did you take the snapshot? Almost every element on /superhero is created dynamically (via JavaScript) so you won’t find it in the HTML code that the server produces. Does your snapshot have other blocks (news, diary, stats, etc.)? — [[User:Cordarion the Grey|Cordarion the Grey]] ([[User talk:Cordarion the Grey|talk]]) 13:01, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

::... I guess I overlooked. As I was inspecting and testing with different CSS layouts, I simply saved the page as is ('HTML web page, complete' on Firefox.)

::Admittedly, the first snapshot I had was in February 2020, and you're right that it does have the hidden tag, so my bad on that part. As for what's saved, just the texts and styles as was shown - all static with no working parts. [[User:Hankvi Guidza|Hankvi Guidza]] ([[User talk:Hankvi Guidza|talk]]) 16:06, 11 November 2020 (UTC)