Talk:Guideline: Guild Articles

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Guild page standards

Is it bad to create a standard for guild pages? I mean it's good if the content is fun, however most of the time people tend to think that their guild page is good enough when it often fails to achieve the essence of a guild page: to catch attention.

I often see guild pages full of lazy entries like "this guild is fun" and "this guild is created by [insert name here]", and personally, I think its not much different from not creating a guild page at all.

I really love this GodWiki thingy, but it really saddens me when people treat it as a dump where a sentence or two can legitimize the act of laziness in writing articles.

My opinion is to somehow make a stub thingy for guilds that somehow informs most users that there's a Guideline for guild page writing and that people can try to use it as a foundation in creating their page. It should also inform them that if they somehow can't wring out their creative juices or that they don't know how to implement the headers, pictures, and other crazy ideas they might have in mind, they can always call for help from the community.

--Cusack (talk) 09:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

So, my opinion isn't the only one that counts in this, but I've got a few responses for us all to consider. :)
  • ...the essence of a guild page: to catch attention.Is it? That seems to me like one of many great reasons to make a guild page. Perhaps WardPhoenix, who created a Godwiki page for his guild when it was just him in it, could talk about that. But there are plenty of guild pages that or focused on completely different things: giving game advice; roleplaying and guild lore; guild and interguild competitions; celebrating guild and guild member achievements; etc. We can't predict what a guild will want to use their page for, and that's important — we can't, and in my opinion, that means we shouldn't try. We can, of course, offer inspiration and advice, which I think is a good thing to do, and these guidelines do make an attempt at that, but maybe they could be improved.
  • ...a sentence or two can legitimize the act of laziness in writing articles. — Granted, we don't like short/pointless articles about game items. But, I think that a guild (or god or hero) page is categorically different. Maybe there's an in-joke in the guild's GC that we don't know anything about, that makes that one word guild page totally hilarious. We don't get the joke, and they don't care, and that's perfectly fine. The page is theirs.
  • My opinion is to somehow make a stub thingy for guilds that somehow informs most users that there's a Guideline for guild page writing and that people can try to use it as a foundation in creating their page. — Now that might be an idea worth discussing: perhaps there's an opportunity to make a template intended for the talk page of newly created Guild pages, that points those who are interested towards these guidelines, and {{Guild}}, etc. I am very strongly opposed to us placing warnings and notices and hatnotes all over a shiny new guild's page — it's fundamentally not our business, and I think a serious violation of Rule 2. Most people may not be aware of this, but GodWiki users have been banned from the Wiki for correcting typos on guild pages without permission, because those guilds complained about that. So, any idea that involves placing more than [[Category:Guilds]] on a guild page is, in my opinion, a hard no.
  • It should also inform them that if they somehow can't wring out their creative juices...they can always call for help from the community. — ... yeah, I'm not sure I'm a fan of this idea. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you... but I absolutely do not want people who are starting a new guild to get the impression that there's a bunch of wiki editors, gnomes, and gardeners with nothing better to do than take care of their guild page for them. I'm happy to help; I'm happy to offer help when I can see it will be wanted; I'm not happy for people to think they can go to Help:Requests and say "Can someone make my guild page?" and we'll leap to create content for them. But, maybe that's an unjustified concern — I certainly don't object to anyone asking for or getting help when it's warranted! But I also think that if you're going to have a guild page with content, you need to know how that works, and so you need to learn do it yourself. I see Help:Requests as useful for one-time, small requests, and I'm 100% supportive of anything that encourages people to ask for help with one-time, small requests, where they've obviously tried to figure it out for themselves first! :)
-- Djonni (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, like he said! Jokes aside, a guild pages "belongs" to the guild and we shouldn't intervene unless for adding the category or undo vandalism. I can't really add much to what Djonni said but that most of those one line guild page are likely created by new founder when clicking "look <guild> on Godwiki" and most are likely to not even be watch again by their own creators and that's something we can do little about without contacting directly them. -- WardPhoenix (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
That's a good point, WardPhoenix. Even if we did change or add a notice to a guild page (which would be vandalism in my mind) often the creator would never see it. Same with any guild talk page templates we came up with. If the page creator is engaged with the wiki in the first place, their guild page wouldn't be one line. Not for long, anyway. Either the problem fixes itself as they add to and expand the page, or it can't be fixed by leaving them notes they won't see... -- Djonni (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
It's kinda hard to criticize those pages huh. I guess all we can do is wish for faeries to somehow whisper to those creators to continue creating content. Though I really wish to have that guideline reminder thingy implemented. Any ideas how it could be done? --Cusack (talk) 11:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)