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Talkback on a topic I'd love your opinion about
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° {{talkback|WardPhoenix|ts=16:11, 19 February 2019 (UTC)}}* .
* Thanks for the feedback, even though i feel the writing isn't clear (english is my second language so i don't quite get the prose right yet). I think we could partner, or at least a little help with correction and making sense in general. Thanks in advance mate.
** Always a pleasure, {{u|Some atheist}}! Thank you for the invitation. I will keep an eye out for your work, and try to polish it when you are finished. --[[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]] ([[User talk:SourceRunner|talk]]) 12:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
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== Your in-progress JanuWiki article ==
 
Hi {{god|SourceRunner}}, I'm leaving this message because you have one or more articles still marked as "under construction" for the [[JanuWiki 2019]] event, which officially ended on February 1. We've set a goal of having all articles ready for review by the end of Sunday, February 10, with the reviews to be completed by Friday, February 15. All work completed by then will still be counted when scoring the event totals.
 
The article(s) you're listed as the author for are:
* [[Deliver some sour gnomish beer to the dark elves ]]
 
If you think you'll be able to finish by the February 10 deadline, that's great! You don't need to do anything more in response to this message. Feel free to take your time, and let us know at [[Help:Requests]] when you're done. (If an article is already finished, please let us know that as well so someone can review it.)
 
If you don't think you'll be ready in time, or don't wish to continue, please drop us a line at [[Help:Requests]] as soon as possible so that we can make arrangements. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 21:10, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 
 
== The Rumor Mill JanuWiki article ==
 
Hi {{god|SourceRunner}} [[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]],
 
Thank you for fixing and finishing [[The Rumor Mill|The Rumor Mill Wiki]]. I went on holidays and complete forgot to finish it and/or send a [[Help:Requests]]. I wanted to know if as the JanuWiki is over, I can create /edit other wikis if i have some time.
 
Hope this reachs you, as I still don't really understand what I am supposed to do lo "Leave a message" in the User talk section.
 
Regards!
 
[[User_talk:Muralin|Muralin]]
 
: Salutations, Muralin! I got your note about [[The Rumor Mill]] GodWiki article. It was such an intriguing concept and so close to finished that I couldn't resist tightening it up and calling it done for JanuWiki. You got four points for it.
 
: If I did anything to it that you hate, please feel free to continue to develop and change it-- GodWiki is entirely mutable.
 
: You also asked if it was OK to work on other GodWiki articles, now that the content drive is over. The answer is yes! Absolutely! The GodWiki is always open for any sort of writing, editing, picture addition, or anything else you want, at all times. With an imagination like yours, it would be wonderful to have you writing in the GodWiki.
 
: If you ever want an editor's eye, feel free to contact me here or on GodWiki. If you ever have a formatting or template usage question, {{u|FeRDNYC}} and {{u|WardPhoenix}} are our most active GodWiki experts about those, so feel free to contact them on GodWiki.
 
: Is there something in particular that you want to create?
 
: (Posting this here. In the Godville Private Message thread to you, and your GodWiki "Talk" page.) --[[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]] ([[User talk:SourceRunner|talk]]) 16:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 
== Continuing the deletion/rename discussion ==
 
(I did want to respond more to this, but it was already archived at {{u|WardPhoenix}}'s talk page, so rather than continue it there...)
{{tqb|
Going back to the Ku Klux Clown example, all available evidence now points to that monster having been deleted from the game itself way back in 2012. But because it already had its own article on the wiki, and it's appeared in [[List of Monsters]], in [[Boss-monsters]], in {{tlx|Navbox bosses}}, and possibly other places, we've essentially "kept it alive" for over '''six years''' after its deletion — in fact most of our information about it was added '''after''' it had already been removed from the game! (It wasn't added to [[List of Monsters]] until 2013; {{tlx|Navbox bosses}} wasn't created until October 2012.)<ref group="A">Not that I'm claiming that the people who made those edits ''knew'' it had been deleted, or even could have known. Hindsight often makes these things much clearer once the events are a little further in the past. I'm just illustrating the process by which outdated information can appear lifelike, even long after it's joined the legions of the undead. Limiting the spread of bad information is one of the major reasons behind Wikipedia's rule that it can never use '''itself''' as a reference, under any circumstances — in other words, "This other Wikipedia article says ____" is never sufficient justification for repeating that claim elsewhere on Wikipedia. An external source is always required.</ref> There are probably some who'd even argue that we should ''still'' be documenting it for posterity — which is an equally valid position, though I would personally disagree. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 19:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 
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: Uh... how to say this... I remember the whole event, but can't substantiate it: "Ku Klux Clown" wasn't deleted from the game. It was changed over to "Mad Clown" after there was a big scuffle aboit it in the box of Ideabox that used to be devoted to voting about objectionable ideas (and then that box was deleted, because we kept misappropriating it for "arguments"). It kept all of the same stats, and retained its status as a mini-quest boss, it just got its name changed. If anything, that particular page needs some sort of redirect and an historical note put under "Mad Clown." Is this one of those "Be Bold" things? As a witness to that period of GV history, should I be doing that? --[[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]] ([[User talk:SourceRunner|talk]]) 20:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 
:: I guess so, since not a lot of people could testimony about it. So please, be bold xD --[[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 20:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 
::: Actually, I'd say please ''don't'' — IMHO things are fine the way they are, with the KKC excised from the Wiki. ("Renamed" to [[Mad Clown]], "Deleted and replaced with" [[Mad Clown]]... I don't see the difference between those two things, functionally.)
::: At the very least, please do read [[Talk:Boss-monsters#Ku Klux Clown status|this (wide-ranging) discussion]] first, where we hashed out what to do about the KKC article and list entries, and then did it. (We settled on making it all go away; that was a conscious decision by multiple editors. So I'd say let's reopen that discussion before acting, if anyone feels we should've gone a different path.) -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 21:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
:::: Actually, sorry, == Possible backstage page(s) needed. ==Do we discussed how to actually deal with need a page (or pages) for the KKC [[Talk:Bossin-monsters#Godwiki Editors and the Case of the Obliterated Monster With an Offensive Name|universe journals, libraries, associations etc. that are now cropping up in articles so that there is a one-stop shop to look them up for anyone who may also wish to use them? Leaving this here as it's generally you who've been creating them, but a different section slightly farther down that talk page]]few others have as well. -- [[User:FeRDNYCS624|FeRDNYCS624]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYCS624|talk]]) 2117:1339, 19 February 23 April 2019 (UTC)
::::: Not touching itWe can do that, sure. "Deleted" versus "Renamed" is a big deal in Ideabox (weI've done pitched battle multiple times over proposals been trying to delete {{u|GorgeousGeorge}}make sure that the ones I reuse frequently get mentioned on the actual town and territory pages where they's [[Holy Mass Murderer]]re supposed to be, but never fought most people don't want to scan over proposals to rename it; the "Spring Cleaning" thread is nothing but snarls every time it comes active)place pages for a organization, journal, but if it is not a big deal for GodWikiclub, no sweat off my browor agency to reference. And given that the various incarnations of the [[Mad Clown]] seem to be a sore issueYou're right, I apologize for having prodded it inadvertentlythem all together would probably be beneficial.::::: Your bailiwickIf you want, and if I can figure out how to make a sandbox, I can try to start pulling together the people, places, organizations, your rulesand journals everyone made during JanuWiki and the ones I've added since. --[[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]] ([[User talk:SourceRunner|talk]]) 2118:4945, 19 February 23 April 2019 (UTC)}}{{outdent|::::::}} It's not, really, at all. And I need to apologize, because looking over the decision-making regarding the disposition of KKC, I see now that it was really only a discussion between {{u|Djonni}} and myself. (I had thought at least {{u|S624}} was involved as well, but clearly misremembered. In the earlier fact-finding, yes, but they didn't participate in the discussion of how to handle the remaining references to the monster.)
So, of the whole 2 people who made ::: Thanks for that decision, I(even if it'm the only one currently active, which hardly represents a compelling level s more work on top of consensusyour current creative streak). I was out of line Making a sandbox is as simple as adding /Sandbox to assert the current state as any sort end of group decision that would need to be overriddenyour user page URL ([[User:SourceRunner/reviewed, or to use it as an attempt to stifle further discussionSandbox]]). You and {{u-- [[User:S624|S624]] ([[User talk:S624|WardPhoenix}} discussing it already represented twice as much consensus-seeking power as my lone voice represented on "my side" of the issue.talk]]) 18:50, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
{{tqbtalkback|"Deleted" versus "Renamed" is a big deal in Ideabox (we've done pitched battle multiple times over proposals to delete {{uTemplate talk:Quest|GorgeousGeorge}}'s [[Holy Mass Murderer]]ts=16:47, but never fought over proposals to rename it; the "Spring Cleaning" thread is nothing but snarls every time it comes active29 April 2019 (UTC)|SourceRunner}}
See... now, I find that absolutely ''fascinating'', from a psychological/sociological standpoint. Because, in terms == Spring clean of ''Godville the game'', a monster's name is their '''entire''' existence. It's literally everything they're made of. There simply is no practical difference between renaming and removing/replacing a monster. If you were to delete monster A and add monster B in its place, vs. renaming A to B, it would be impossible for anyone to say after-the-fact ''which'' of those two actions you performed. The outcomes are completely equivalent. So the idea that one would be objected to so much more vehemently by some players (or some Ideabox participants or whatever) is surprising and interesting. It probably reveals a lot of things I'm not insightful enough to discern regarding the ways people think about these issues, or what motivates their passions and relative level of investment.Help:Requests volunteers ==
That issue (equivalency of outcome) also creates a tricky situation for the GodWikiHey {{u|SourceRunner}}, because here is where it suddenly ''does'' make a difference what's done with a game element. This is the place where the identity of game elements is fleshed out, where theyhope you're given backstory that expands their identity '''beyond''' just the name that represents their sole existence in-game. In addition, because we're reactive rather than proactive (by design and necessity), changes to the game will often lag in being reflected here, and will be reflected inaccurately by nature of the whole processwell.😊
Coming back to We are doing a spring clean of the issue volunteers list at hand, when KKC was renamed to [[Mad ClownHelp:Requests]], that wasn't reflected here because, presumably, nobody who was updating the wiki information was aware of the decision. And even if they ''could've'Since it' s beenmore than 6 months since your last edit on the GodWiki, simply doing a page-move to change the name of the KKC article to "Mad Clown" wouldnI't really have made sense — the article contained information about the monster under its old ve taken your name that simply made no sense when describing a monster under its '''new'' name. But, regardless, whether {{u|BlueStapler}} was aware of off the rename or not, he created [[Mad Clown]] independent list of the article on the KKC, and it was subsequently fleshed out with information about something called a "Mad Clown"active volunteers.
The KKC articleYou are, of course, absolutely welcome to return your name if at any time you return to being active on the other hand, was simply ignoredGodwiki. We would be delighted to have you there again. It was left in place, and left included in things like -- [[List of MonstersUser:Djonni|Djonni]] and {{tlc|Navbox bosses}}, ''even though'' there was no longer any such monster present in the game. ([[Mad ClownUser talk:Djonni|talk]] was ''added'' to all of those resources, even though it was arguably a duplicate since it was already present under its "old name") 11:51, effectively.13 December 2019 (UTC)
So then six years later, the question becomes — became, really — one of: What do we do about that? Does it still make sense to keep the information around, when it's purely historical and of no use to current players? I laid out my thoughts on the subject [[Talk:Boss-monsters#Godwiki Editors and the Case of the Obliterated Monster With an Offensive Name|in that previous discussion regarding the KKC]], and {{utalkback|Djonni}} and I were of the same mind on it. But we were the only two involved in that conversation, so there ''of course'' is plenty of room for debate there! But as I said, I do think the issues involved are slightly different in terms of "expanded universe" GodWiki content, than they are for in-game content itself. -- [[UserTemplate talk:FeRDNYCNavbox guidelines|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYCDiary guideline|talk]]) 03ts = 13:3111, 22 February 30 December 2019 (UTC)}}
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