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== Templates for he-or-she in articles ==
 
  
I had a bad idea, which I didn't think through, and took too far. So, here you go: a set of templates to allow The [[Great Random]] to choose the gender of the pronouns in your GodWiki writing!
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== Encouraging use of user talk pages ==
  
In brief:
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So, I've written [[User:FeRDNYC/User Talk Message|this message]], which I'm thinking of going around and (manually) placing on the User talk pages of everyone whose User: page is redirected to the main-article space, to point out that they won't receive talk-page message notifications unless they use their corresponding user talk page.
  
* {{Tlx|He-or-She}}: You'll get either <code>He</code> or <code>She</code>, chosen at <small>kinda-</small>random.
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(This covers two types of users:)
* {{Tlx|he-or-she}}: You'll get either <code>he</code> or <code>she</code>, chosen at <small>kinda-</small>random.
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# Those with user talk pages like [[User talk:BlueStapler]], [[User talk:Hershey Almighty]], etc. that are redirected to [[Talk:BlueStapler]], [[Talk:Hershey Almighty]], etc.  
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# Users like [[User:Hairplug4men]], [[User:EJ Rose]], etc. with redirected User pages, who have no redirect for their user talk page.
  
If you're with me so far, I'll assume you can extrapolate to understand the following templates too:
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Basically it's about 50 people, I have a whole list. '''Most''' of them are probably not active users, but I'd plan to contact them all regardless. If they never see it, oh well. If they do, then great.
  
* {{Tlx|Him-or-Her}} and {{Tlx|him-or-her}}
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I just wanted to solicit feedback before I start.
* {{Tlx|His-or-Hers}} and {{Tlx|his-or-hers}}
 
* {{Tlx|Hero-or-Heroine}} and {{Tlx|hero-or-heroine}}
 
* {{Tlx|Heroes-or-Heroines}} and {{Tlx|heroes-or-heroines}}
 
  
Every one of these can take the optional parameter {{para|or|<var>anything at all</var>}} (as in, for example, {{Tlx|he-or-she|or{{=}}1}}). If  {{para|or|<var>anything</var>}} is present, you'll instead get either <code>he or she</code> or <code>she or he</code> instead.
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With [[Special:ExpandTemplates]], you can see what the message would look like when it's placed on {{u|Djonni}}'s talk page (as an example). Click the following url:
  
These are safe to use inline with combining forms. As in: <code>Now {{Tl|he-or-she}}'s the winner!</code> will produce the expected <code>Now he's the winner!</code> or <code>Now she's the winner!</code>.
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{{fullurl:Special:ExpandTemplates|wpInput=%7b%7bsafesubst:User:FeRDNYC/User+Talk+Message%7d%7d&wpContextTitle=User+talk:Djonni}}
  
There's more information (and an important note about an error I can't fix, which could cause you to panic unnecessarily) in the [[Template:He-or-she/Documentation|documentation for <nowiki>{{he-or-she}}</nowiki>]] (and if you can fix that error, brilliant!).
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You'll see the formatted message at the bottom of the page. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 01:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
  
'''''Great, [[Djonni]], but what's the point?'''''
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::It seems some people keeps on redirect their user page to another page for some reasons, tried to leave messages but it don't seem to reach through. Well it's not really a serious issue but still happens. --[[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 16:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  
Rather than every single wiki page using ''he'' (or even ''he or she'') as a default choice, this can allow you to have the choice made for you as to what gender will be used in an article. These templates will ''consistently'' choose the same pronoun for a given page; you can be sure that it will consistently choose the same {{he-or-she}}, {{him-or-her}}, {{his-or-hers}}, {{hero-or-heroine}}, etc, and won't switch unexpectedly between them. Then, if you copy-paste the same wiki-code into another page (or transclude it), it will be consistent with ''that'' page. Or, if you prefer, just use it to set an article gender once, and follow that gender choice through the rest of the text, whatever you like. It's a 50/50 diceroll for the gender of a page, to use however you want.
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::: Honestly, though, that's ''fine'' and if people want to do it then more power to 'em. (There are all sorts of reasons why someone might want to, including '''intending''' their user page to be editable by other people. That's the reason {{user|Djonni}} specifically gives on his [[User talk:Djonni|talk page]].) If people want to keep a "god" page in the article namespace, as long as it's properly categorized no harm done. It's ''only'' when the corresponding talk page isn't redirected '''back''' to User talk: space that there's a down side. But it works just fine to maintain a non-<code>User:Foo</code> userpage at <code>Foo</code>, with a <code>Talk:Foo</code> page that redirects to <code>User talk:foo</code>, and doing that means they won't miss notifications. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 20:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
  
'''''If you want more'''''
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:::: Sorry, the example-message URL above was "down" for a couple of weeks, as I'd repurposed the page in question to do canvassing for the JanuWiki post-mortem and forgot to set it back afterwards. Anyway, it's working again now. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 16:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
  
I'm done with this collection of templates for now (it was a ''much'' larger set that I first expected already), but if people indicate they would like to use templates like this in a more use cases, these further templates could be made pretty easily:
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== Misnamed monster? ==
  
* {{Tlf|God-or-Goddess}} and corresponding lowercases, plurals, and possessives (a full paradigm of 6 templates altogether)
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Does anyone have any thoughts on my [[Talk:Space_Invader#Wrong_name.3F|rename suggestion]] for [[Space Invader]]? (Evidence ''appears'' to indicate that [[Personal Space Invader]] is actually the correct monster name. More details can be found in my [[Talk:Space_Invader#Wrong_name.3F|article talk-page post]].) All input welcome. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 01:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
* The inverted order templates, for when you want to (e.g.) refer to a secondary character, ''he'', that your primary protagonist, ''she'', interacts with. These would be structured as {{Tlf|She-or-He}}, etc. That set expands out to another 10 templates, plus 6 more for {{Tlf|Goddess-or-God}}
 
  
I'll do the work if there's an indication that anyone likes this idea and would want to use them! :)
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:: I guess a page-move is the appropriate things to do if it's true. Don't remember seeing that monster in both name so i trust you on the matter. --[[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 13:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  
'''''Dude, they're ''still'' binary genders.'''''
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:: Pretty sure that you're right, [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]]. I've never seen it as just a space invader. -- [[User:SourceRunner|SourceRunner]] ([[User talk:SourceRunner|talk]]) 20:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
  
Yeah, I know. ''All'' of Godville is binary gendered, and it's out-of-scope for me to fix that with a couple of cute little templates. Sorry. If you can propose a ''sensible'' way that I can promote inclusion of non-binary gender anywhere then I'm honestly all ears, I don't have any ideas, good ''or'' bad. But this at least offers something to erode the monotony of male-gendered content on the GodWiki. And hey, since I haven't built the {{Tlf|she-or-he}} counterpart templates, I guess by default I'm also not promoting heteronormativity, so... Yeah, there's that.
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== Small Edits on Main banner ==
  
Okay, I'm gonna go do something else now. If you have questions, comments, criticism, or requests, please let me know, here, [[Talk:Djonni|here]], or by direct message on Godville. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 13:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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I went bold, but i'll post the why there in case someone have an objection. I remplaced some of the category that appeared in the bottom of the welcome banner. Here are my changes :
  
: I've used the {{Tlx|he-or-she}} family of templates in today's update to the [[Template:Featured|Featured Article]] on the main page. It should read fairly seamlessly, and give a concrete example of how it might be used. You'll also note that when appearing on the [[Main Page]] and in the original [[Template:Featured]] page the templates render as <code>he</code> in both places. So speaketh the [[Great Random]]!
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*All Categories -> Guidelines
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*All Pages -> Help/Requests
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*Map of Godville -> Omnibus List
  
: If there are any issues with these templates in the Featured Article at all, I encourage you to [https://wiki.godvillegame.com/index.php?title=Template:Featured&action=edit&undoafter=88986&undo=88987 undo the edit] where I put them in, and to [https://wiki.godvillegame.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&action=edit&section=9 explain the problem] here for us. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 10:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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The 3 formers category are not really useful while the 3 remplacements may help for guidelines and help/request to have better exposure and for omnibus list to have a direct link especially for mobile user.
  
:: {{m|idea}} It wouldn't be difficult to implement a parameter {{para|daily|<var>anything</var>}} that will switch the gender every day. I kind of like that idea, it's perfect for use cases like the Main Page etc. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 11:18, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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If someone have an objection, please undo and notify here.
  
::: {{m|done}} The existing set of templates now support a parameter, {{para|daily|<var>anything</var>}}, which switches the gender for the text each day. If you want to see it in action, the current (at the time of this note) [[Template:Featured|Featured Article]] snippet on the [[Main Page]] is now using it, and so each day when the cache of the Main Page is refreshed, the text of the Featured Article will change gender. (I am here assuming that the cache is refreshed daily. That may not be the case; a couple of days observation will reveal the real behaviour.)
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--[[User:WardPhoenix|WardPhoenix]] ([[User talk:WardPhoenix|talk]]) 16:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 
 
::: {{m|thankyou}} Also, after some effort by the talented {{god|FerdNYC}}, the error described in the docs is no longer an issue. I'll update the docs to explain how the template behaves before a new page is saved.
 
 
 
::: Finally, both of these changes make the creation of the inverted template set (<code>{{Tlf|she-or-he}}</code> et cetera) a must. So I'll get to work on that too. (Probably before I update the docs, so I only gotta do that once.) I think I'll make them as essentially wrappers for the current set, though, using a new {{para|reverse|<var>anything</var>}} option, so that improvements are less arduous. (Perhaps I should simply implement a master function (<code>{{Tlf|m-or-f}}</code>?) which takes {{para|male|<var>him</var>}} and {{para|female|<var>her</var>}} text inputs? Then behaviour changes would be completely consistent to the entire set. Hmmm.) -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 13:15, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:::: {{m|done}} Instead of making an entire set of {{tlf|she-or-he}}, each of the gender-selection templates now supports the {{para|invert|<var>anything</var>}} parameter to switch the focus of the gender when required to write sensible sentences. More detail and examples are given in the documentation for the {{tl|m-or-f}} template which is now the basis of the whole set (and can be used to construct your own God-or-Goddess or any function you like. More info in the docs.)
 
 
 
:::: Oh, and while writing the docs I realised I'd missed the possessive adjectives, so I've added {{tl|his-or-her}} and {{tl|His-or-Her}} to the set. So now, {{he-or-she|daily=1}} can hold {{his-or-her|daily=1|invert=1}} hand in the moonlight, and make sense.
 
 
 
:::: I'm going to start subtly including these templates in some key places around the GodWiki, especially for content in highly-visible places like the Main Page. But they're there for everyone's use, so if you want to, enjoy!
 
 
 
:::: Please leave any relevant comments, questions, or requests here. For now, I consider this little template project concluded. :) Cheers -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 17:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
{{outdent|:::::}} {{tqi|If you can propose a ''sensible'' way that I can promote inclusion of non-binary gender anywhere then I'm honestly all ears|q=yes}} Personally I've become pretty big on singular "they" (and equivalent forms), for the general case of genderless pronoun usage. And it doesn't even require any templates! 😉
 
 
 
You do have to get used to reading things like, "The hero brushed themself off and continued on their way," which parses pretty weird at first. Also, '''holy ''wow''''' do some people get irrationally pissed off at that usage, accusing you of everything from PC capitulation to eroding the fabric of society. But I say screw those people, since they insist on being <nowiki>{{dicks-and-or-vaginas}}</nowiki>. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 13:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
: (Note that my example also requires the reader to consider "hero" a genderless noun, which is a topic about which there has been plenty of debate, and strong arguments made on both sides.) -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 13:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: Oh I absolutely agree on "they", but as you also pointed out, it's not, erm... ''universally'' agreed upon. ;) The genderlessness of "hero" is also interesting, but since all of Godville differentiates between {{heroes-or-heroines|daily=1}} and {{heroes-or-heroines|daily=1|invert=1}}, I feel like defaulting to 'hero' in the Goville context is defaulting to male-focussed language.
 
 
 
:: But! If any editor wishes to, ''they'' are welcome to use any language they like when describing or failing to describe the gender of any characters. Of course. :) -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 14:09, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: [[Image:cross.png]] "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"
 
::: [[Image:tick.png]] "No, of course not!" -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 19:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Guild infoboxes now automatically link to guild pages ==
 
 
 
[[User:Djonni|Djonni]] had the excellent idea to have {{tl|Guild}} generate links to guild pages ''automatically'', instead of requiring a {{para|stats}} argument to provide the URL. So, that's now in place, and a lot of Guild articles should contain '''Guild Page:''' links that didn't have them before.
 
 
 
If for some reason you would prefer '''not''' to have that link shown on a guild article, passing a {{para|stats|no}} argument to the {{tl|Guild}} template will disable the automatic link generation.
 
 
 
And if the automatic link is generated ''wrong'' for some reason, {{para|stats|<var>url</var>}} still works to manually supply a URL. (This also means that older guild articles that include a {{para|stats|<var>url</var>}} argument will continue to function same as always. But {{para|stats|<var>url</var>}} is no longer '''necessary''' to have a '''Guild Page:''' link show up.)
 
 
 
For most Guild articles, {{para|stats}} should '''not''' be included in the template arguments anymore. It's easier to just let the template generate the link automatically. (It's up to the editors of existing guild articles, whether you remove {{para|stats}} if it's already set.)
 
 
 
The other link parameter, {{para|forum|<var>url</var>}}, is still required if you want to display a forum link. There's no way the template can automatically determine the correct URL for guild forums. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 12:53, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Decorations were hung on the artifacts with care ==
 
 
 
'''''Note:''' this template has since been renamed more generally as {{tlx|Decorate item}}''
 
 
 
Inspired by the [[Halloween 2018]] article's extensive use of example pumpkin-decorated artifact names, and by the fact that just ''writing'' e.g. "🎃[[golden pumpkin]]🎃" doesn't quite look right (the pumpkins are too close to the text), I've created a new set of templates specifically to produce these "decorated" strings, but with nicer formatting and line-wrapping protection.
 
 
 
The general-purpose template is {{tlx|decorate artifact}}, but more convenient wrappers have been created for known Godville decorations:
 
 
 
* {{tlx|pumpkins}}: for decorating Halloween artifacts, e.g.
 
:: {{tlx|pumpkins|<nowiki>[[golden pumpkin]]</nowiki>|}} → {{pumpkins|[[golden pumpkin]]}}
 
* {{tlx|party}}: for decorating celebration-related artifacts (like the anniversary specials), e.g.
 
:: {{tlx|party|<nowiki>[[3000-days gold coin]]</nowiki>|}} → {{party|[[3000-days gold coin]]}}
 
 
 
Templates for additional standard decorations will be added as they appear, or [[Template talk:Decorate artifact|upon request]]. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 15:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:* {{tlx|turkey}} was aded for Thanksgiving, and produces the first one-sided decoration:
 
::: {{tlx|turkey|<nowiki>[[roasted turkey]]</nowiki>}} → {{turkey|[[roasted turkey]]}} -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 04:13, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== A new link template for Guild pages ==
 
 
 
A new linking template, {{tlx|Guild link}}, has been added to the wiki. Use it to conveniently link to the official Godville page for the named [[Guilds|Guild]].
 
 
 
The same way: {{tlx|God|<var>God name</var>|}} => {{God|<var>God name</var>}}
 
 
 
You can now use: {{tlx|Guild link|<var>Guild name</var>|}} => {{Guild link|<var>Guild name</var>}}
 
 
 
(Hopefully the emoji shield in front of the Guild's name shows up everywhere. If not, in particular if you see an empty rectangle or any sort of question-mark symbol, please reply and let me know — include the details of what browser, device, operating system, etc. you're using.)
 
 
 
For example: {{tlx|Guild link|Bobius|}} => {{Guild link|Bobius}}
 
 
 
There's also a plaintext mode, just add {{para|plain|yes}}. {{tlx|Guild link|Eternal|plain{{=}}yes}} => {{Guild link|Eternal|plain=yes}}.
 
 
 
(That's used in the {{tlx|Guild}} infobox template, to generate the '''Guild Page:''' links.)
 
 
 
Full details, including available parameters and more examples, are in the documentation at {{tlx|Guild link}}. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 15:53, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== And a new link template for Pantheon positions... ==
 
 
 
... just to complete the set!
 
 
 
{{Tl|Pantheon link}} can now be used to create a nicely formatted (or plain) link to a Pantheon on the Godville game page, and can optionally link directly to a specific position in that pantheon. It is expected to be used primarily on [[:Category:Gods|God]] or [[:Category:Guilds|Guild]] pages, though be aware that if your pantheon position is volatile you may prefer not to link directly to it.
 
 
 
So now, just as {{tlx|God|<var>God name</var>}} => {{God|<var>God name</var>}}<br />
 
and {{tlx|Guild link|<var>Guild name</var>}} => {{Guild link|<var>Guild name</var>}},
 
 
 
now {{tlx|Pantheon link|<var>pantheon</var>}} => {{Pantheon link|pantheon}}
 
 
 
And, more usefully, to link to a specific pantheon position:<br />
 
{{tlx|Pantheon link|<var>pantheon</var>|15}} => {{Pantheon link|pantheon|15}}.
 
 
 
As with the shield in {{Tl|Guild link}}, hopefully the trophy emoji appears correctly on any device. Should it not, reply here and let us know, with what browser, device, operating system, etc. you're using.
 
 
 
Some quick examples:
 
 
 
:{{Tlx|Pantheon link|taming|237}} => {{Pantheon link|taming|237}}
 
:{{Tlx|Pantheon link|savings|20|text{{=}}short}} => {{Pantheon link|savings|20|text=short}}
 
:{{Tlx|Pantheon link|wood|1102|plain{{=}}yes}} => {{Pantheon link|wood|1102|plain=yes}}
 
:{{Tlx|Pantheon link|storytelling|51|text{{=}}none|plain{{=}}yes}} => {{Pantheon link|storytelling|51|text=none|plain=yes}}
 
:<code><nowiki>[[Pantheon of Gratitude]]: '''</nowiki>{{tlp|Pantheon link|gratitude|123|text{{=}}none|plain{{=}}yes}}<nowiki>'''</nowiki></code> => [[Pantheon of Gratitude]]: '''{{Pantheon link|gratitude|123|text=none|plain=yes}}'''
 
 
 
More details and examples are in the documentation at the {{tl|Pantheon link}} page. Take a quick look there to see how to use it with any pantheon you'd like (though it best suits pantheons where your position is quite stable, as it can't update itself magically with your current position). If you have any questions not covered in the documentation, please feel free to ask, either here or on [[Template talk:Pantheon link]]. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 13:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Sign template updates requiring page edits ==
 
 
 
{{Sign|title=This template needs to be fixed|text=These fixes will require the editing of Guild articles by a non-Guild-member (specifically, me — [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]]), which is normally not permitted by the Godwiki rules. I request that everyone understand the reasons behind this one-time, limited violation of those rules.}}
 
===The plan===
 
The {{tlx|Sign}} template, which is used to create notices like the one above, has several issues with how its parameters are specified. You can find a long, detailed explanation of those issues at [[Template talk:Sign|the Talk page for the template]], if you're interested. But the important point here is, those issues are going to be fixed. The fixes, however, will affect ''existing'' uses of {{tlx|Sign}} in Godwiki articles.
 
===What this means for you (the editor of an article containing {{tlx|Sign}})===
 
# If your article contains a sign transclusion with parameters like {{tlx|Sign|bordercolor{{=}}red}} or {{tlx|Sign|bgcolor{{=}}#91A3B0}}, those parameters will '''start''' working, where up until now they have been ignored. This will change the appearance of the sign, perhaps in unwanted ways. If so, simply remove the {{para|bgcolor}}, {{para|bordercolor}}, or {{para|outerbordercolor}} arguments so that the sign will use the default values, like it was previously.
 
# If your article contains a transclusion with parameters like {{para|bordercolor|ee8822}}, those parameters will ''break'' due to the changes. If this happens, '''I will fix them for you''', by changing them to e.g. {{para|bordercolor|#ee8822}}. You will not have to do anything. That is the reason for this announcement, and for the request that Guild members understand why a non-member will be editing their Guild page. My changes on any Guild articles will be limited to editing {{tlx|Sign}} parameters '''''only'''''.
 
 
 
If there are any affected {{tlx|Sign}} transclusions on user pages (it doesn't ''look'' like it, so far), I won't be able to fix them. I'll try to leave explanatory notes on the associated Talk pages, if those cases arise.
 
 
 
I don't plan to start these changes immediately (I want to give people time to digest this announcement, for one thing), but they will be happening soon and most likely will be completed by the end of the week. If anyone has any objections or issues, you have the floor... -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 21:56, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
: <strike>{{m|partlydone}}</strike>
 
: The color-parameter changes are complete. {{tlx|Sign|bgcolor{{=}}|bordercolor{{=}}|outerbordercolor{{=}}}} now accepts '''any''' valid CSS color string, e.g. {{para|bgcolor|red}} or {{para|bordercolor|rgb(100,150,0)}}. If specifying color by hex color value (i.e. <code>#RGB</code> or <code>#RRGGBB</code>), you ''must'' include  the leading <code>#</code> sign.
 
:; Guild pages edited
 
:* [[The Ancestry Knight]]
 
:* [[Lucky God Casino]] (three places)
 
:* [[I AM]] (two places)
 
:* [[Open Bar]]
 
:* [[404]]
 
: The only change that remains to be done is the fix to {{para|imgwidth}}, and the only page that will be affected ''there'' is [[Open Bar]] (again). I'll get to that another time. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 00:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
:: {{m|done}}
 
:: Completely done, {{para|imgwidth}} syntax is updated in {{tlx|Sign}} and all three pages which make use of that parameter ([[Open Bar]], [[Template:Godwiki event construction]], and [[Template:Godwiki event review]]) have been modified accordingly. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 11:52, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Default picture and auto-templating for Artifact and Monster infoboxes ==
 
 
 
Just like {{tlx|Equipment}} since its inception, {{tlx|Artifact}} and {{tlx|Monster}} now have default "generic" images that they will use whenever an image is not supplied via {{para|image|<var>filename</var>}}. They will also (again just like {{tlx|Equipment}}) auto-template those articles as {{tlx|Picture}}-needed, adding them to the [[:Category:Pictures needed|Pictures needed]] hidden category.
 
 
 
To avoid double-templating, I removed the manual {{tlx|Picture}} templating from any {{tlx|Artifact}}-using articles which already had it. (There were only two, [[Orange bag]] and [[Heart warmer]].)
 
 
 
I tried to also get all of the {{tlx|Monster}} articles which contained manual {{tlx|Picture}} templates. There were far more of those, and I can't promise I didn't miss any. If you see any articles with '''two''' "Pictures needed" hatnotes (that's a message box at the top of the page), please edit the article source to remove the "{{tlx|Picture}}" template, as the infobox is now automatically supplying it. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 02:45, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Navbar line on navboxes ==
 
 
 
Now that we have a {{tlx|Navbar}} template (which I imported for use with the new {{tlx|Infobox}} code, though that isn't ready yet), we can have our Navbox templates show links to make them easier to modify. I've installed a Navbar on just {{tlx|Navboxauras}} for now, as an experiment. It's the three letters (for View • Talk • Edit) in the upper left corner that let you access the navbox template more easily:
 
 
 
{{Navboxauras}}
 
 
 
Navbars on ''infoboxes'' tend to have fallen out of favor on MediaWiki sites (and I may still end up disabling them on our new infoboxes, before they're released), because they lead to people who want to update infobox data trying to edit the template ''code'', when they '''should''' be editing the template ''transclusion'' in the article they're reading.
 
 
 
But with Navboxes, there's nothing to edit in the article, and you ''do'' need to edit the template code to modify them. So, it's a little different. There is still the danger, though, that the links will lead to inexperienced people messing up the Navbox templates more frequently. So I guess that's one reason for experimenting on just one template, first, to see if {{tlx|Navboxauras}} becomes the target of increased problem editing.
 
 
 
Let me know if anyone has any thoughts or objections. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 05:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:How about we have a version for Infoboxes that simply omits the 'edit' option? I think there's definitely merit in a clear link directly to the documentation and talk pages for an infobox. -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 16:16, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: Hmm, that's definitely an option technically, so yeah that could be one way to go. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 05:27, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== <strike>Preview</strike> Rollout of new Infoboxes ==
 
 
 
For a while now, I've been working on adapting the master {{tlx|Infobox}} code from the English Wikipedia for use here at the GodWiki, with the aim being to reimplement our Infoboxes. Using {{tlx|Infobox}} as the base template gives us access to more advanced features and formatting, and gives the infoboxes a more modern and cohesive look.
 
 
 
For this first round I'm focusing only on the three main infoboxes — certainly {{tlx|Town}} would also be updated, and most likely {{tlx|Guild}}, the user infoboxes, etc. as well, but that would all come later.
 
 
 
There's some initial discussion between [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] and myself at [[Talk:Djonni#Preview Release!]] for anyone interested, but the real point is that I feel like the effort has progressed far enough to seek commentary and input from a wider audience.
 
 
 
Anyone interested is welcome to take a look at [[User:FeRDNYC/Sandbox]], which contains a series of Artifact, Equipment, and Monster articles showcasing different possible forms of the new infobox templates for those articles. Where there are differences between them, or different versions of the same thing, it means that I'm trying out different possible formattings. As it says in the intro to that page, any and all input is welcome and encouraged — there's a link to the associated Talk page if anyone has any thoughts, positive or negative, on any or all of the infoboxes shown there.
 
 
 
'''Most''' helpful to me, at this stage, would be firm preferences of the form, "I like (this formatting) much better than (that formatting), you should definitely go with the first one." But, as I said, ''any'' input is welcome. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 03:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
: {{m|started}}
 
 
 
: The new {{tlx|Town}} is now live. I spot-checked a bunch of articles and saw no obvious problems, but if you '''do''', please feel free to use the "T" link in the bottom-right corner of the infobox to access [[Template talk:Town]]. You can report problems or anything else there.
 
 
 
: If all goes well, I'll hopefully take at least {{tlx|Artifact}} and {{tlx|Equipment}} live later today, with {{tlx|Monster}} to follow shortly after. Thanks especially to {{god|Djonni}} and {{god|SourceRunner}}, who provided invaluable feedback and advice during testing. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 17:59, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
:: {{m|doing}}
 
 
 
:: {{tlx|Artifact}} and {{tlx|Equipment}} are also now updated. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]]) 02:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
::: {{m|done}}
 
 
 
::: With the deployment of {{tlx|Monster}}, the four main article infoboxes are now updated and live. Please use the 'T' link at the bottom of any of them, to report problems on the associated Talk page. Other wiki infoboxes (guild/user-related) will be updated time permitting. -- [[User:FeRDNYC|FeRDNYC]] ([[User talk:FeRDNYC|talk]])
 
 
 
:::: The new infoboxes look SO GOOD in the wild! You put a ''lot'' of work and thought into them and it really shows. Thank you '''''so''''' much for your effort on these.
 
 
 
:::: Amazing what a nice fresh coat of paint will do around the place! -- [[User:Djonni|Djonni]] ([[User talk:Djonni|talk]]) 06:26, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 
 
 
== A humble proposal ==
 
 
 
This proposal and discussion has been archived to [[Talk:JanuWiki 2019/Archive]].
 

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Encouraging use of user talk pages

So, I've written this message, which I'm thinking of going around and (manually) placing on the User talk pages of everyone whose User: page is redirected to the main-article space, to point out that they won't receive talk-page message notifications unless they use their corresponding user talk page.

(This covers two types of users:)

  1. Those with user talk pages like User talk:BlueStapler, User talk:Hershey Almighty, etc. that are redirected to Talk:BlueStapler, Talk:Hershey Almighty, etc.
  2. Users like User:Hairplug4men, User:EJ Rose, etc. with redirected User pages, who have no redirect for their user talk page.

Basically it's about 50 people, I have a whole list. Most of them are probably not active users, but I'd plan to contact them all regardless. If they never see it, oh well. If they do, then great.

I just wanted to solicit feedback before I start.

With Special:ExpandTemplates, you can see what the message would look like when it's placed on Djonni's talk page (as an example). Click the following url:

https://wiki.godvillegame.com/index.php?title=Special:ExpandTemplates&wpInput=%7b%7bsafesubst:User:FeRDNYC/User+Talk+Message%7d%7d&wpContextTitle=User+talk:Djonni

You'll see the formatted message at the bottom of the page. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

It seems some people keeps on redirect their user page to another page for some reasons, tried to leave messages but it don't seem to reach through. Well it's not really a serious issue but still happens. --WardPhoenix (talk) 16:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Honestly, though, that's fine and if people want to do it then more power to 'em. (There are all sorts of reasons why someone might want to, including intending their user page to be editable by other people. That's the reason Djonni (talkcontribs) specifically gives on his talk page.) If people want to keep a "god" page in the article namespace, as long as it's properly categorized no harm done. It's only when the corresponding talk page isn't redirected back to User talk: space that there's a down side. But it works just fine to maintain a non-User:Foo userpage at Foo, with a Talk:Foo page that redirects to User talk:foo, and doing that means they won't miss notifications. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 20:49, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, the example-message URL above was "down" for a couple of weeks, as I'd repurposed the page in question to do canvassing for the JanuWiki post-mortem and forgot to set it back afterwards. Anyway, it's working again now. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Misnamed monster?

Does anyone have any thoughts on my rename suggestion for Space Invader? (Evidence appears to indicate that Personal Space Invader is actually the correct monster name. More details can be found in my article talk-page post.) All input welcome. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess a page-move is the appropriate things to do if it's true. Don't remember seeing that monster in both name so i trust you on the matter. --WardPhoenix (talk) 13:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Pretty sure that you're right, FeRDNYC. I've never seen it as just a space invader. -- SourceRunner (talk) 20:23, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Small Edits on Main banner

I went bold, but i'll post the why there in case someone have an objection. I remplaced some of the category that appeared in the bottom of the welcome banner. Here are my changes :

  • All Categories -> Guidelines
  • All Pages -> Help/Requests
  • Map of Godville -> Omnibus List

The 3 formers category are not really useful while the 3 remplacements may help for guidelines and help/request to have better exposure and for omnibus list to have a direct link especially for mobile user.

If someone have an objection, please undo and notify here.

--WardPhoenix (talk) 16:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)