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Leaving notes for possible parameters

Mini-quest parameters Hold.png On hold until mini-quests issue is cleared up : Talk:Mini-quests

The parameters :|previous=Previous mini-quest / |next=Next mini-quest / |boss=Boss of the mini-quest / |reward=Reward of the mini-quest are already integrated within the template but are not displayed in the documentation.

Mini-Quest Possible paramaters

For quests of |type=Mini-quest, the following additional parameters can be set:

|previous=Previous mini-quest 
When relevant - Indicates the name of the previous mini-quest of the chain it is part of. Will automatically link to the Godwiki article for that mini-quest.
|next=Next mini-quest 
When relevant - Indicates the name of the next mini-quest of the chain it is part of. Will automatically link to the Godwiki article for that mini-quest.
|boss=Boss of the mini-quest 
When relevant - Indicate the name of the boss encountered at the end of the mini-quest when it have one. Will automatically link to the Godwiki article for that boss monster.
|reward=Reward of the mini-quest 
When relevant - Indicate the name of the artifact received at the end of the mini-quest when it have one. Will automatically link to the Godwiki article for that artifact.
|first=First mini-quest of the chain 
When relevant - Indicate the name of the first mini-quest of the chain. Will automatically link to the Godwiki article for that mini-quest.
|progression=mini-quest X out Y 
When relevant - Indicate the progression of the mini-quest inside it's mini-quest chain when it have one.

Incorporating Diaryquest

Quests of Godville
#1
The title of the article
QuestPlaceholder.jpg
Description A description
Mini-quest
Preceded by Previous
Followed by Next
Boss boss
Special Reward reward

So I was thinking of ways to incorporate {{Diaryquest}} into the {{Quest}} infobox, when I had a terrible, miserable, wonderful (maybe) idea.

I remembered you can turn off the box styling of the infobox itself with |bodystyle=border:none, and I got to thinking... what if, instead, we incorporated the Infobox into Diaryquest?

So here's a very rough sketch of how I think that could work. It doesn't actually use {{Diaryquest}} directly (It's not set up for that), just copy-pastes the relevant code with some adjustments, then plops the {{Infobox}} down inside of it. The styling's a bit different from the other infoboxes (more space between the rows, for starters), which came out of trying to strike a balance between our normal infobox styling and the standard appearance of the superhero interface quest boxes.

My thinking is, we'd also expose {{Diaryquest}} parameters like |number= (if people wanted to fill in some value), and |progress= so that maybe people doing mini-quest chains could use it to illustrate the progress through the chain. (e.g. the in a four-quest chain, the first step is |progress=25, the second step |progress=50, etc. Maybe we even expose the |completed=yes parameter for the end of the chain.)

We could do other things, too... like change the progress bar color for the type of quest, the way the official interface does for Side Jobs. (That'd liven things up a bit, and make up for the fact that I tossed the {{Decorate item}} emoji next to the quest type when I moved it into the {{Diaryquest}} formatting, since I thought it matched the interface better.)

Thoughts? -- FeRDNYC (talk) 20:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

YES!!! Yesyesyesyesyesyes!!! That works really well, looks great! FeRDNYC and WardPhoenix make an excellent team! 😁 --SourceRunner (talk)
Well, if we forgot the lack of color (prototype issue I guess), I'd say it look rather decent. By the way, no need for the special parameters for mini-quest for now (I even removed them from documentation, but left them in the template itself just in case - and because i was lazy-). -- WardPhoenix (talk) 23:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

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So, yeah, more a design decision than a prototyping issue, though I guess the question is whether it was the right decision. Here's what my thinking was: The infobox coloring is mostly intended as a way of differentiating the various different infobox types (and by extension, the different articles of each type). But this design hardly requires coloring for that β€” in fact, the lack of color is part of its differentiation. *shrug* That was the idea, anyway.

As far as the mini-quest params go, understood, I just switched on every available parameter to illustrate more of the potential layout/design. But they'd still remain hidden when not used, like any other infobox row, so they'd still be unused / "on hold".

Quests of Godville
#1
The title of the article
Description A description

Here's the question I'm most debating, right now: Does the quest box formatting mean that the default image is overkill? I think we still have to accept an image, when people want to place one... but maybe it should only show up if specified, and otherwise the state just looks like this? -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:27, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Quests of Godville
#1
The title of the article
QuestPlaceholder.jpg
Description A description
Mini-quest
Preceded by Previous
Followed by Next
Boss boss
Special Reward reward
I think the objective was to have all the possibilities:
  • Having a custom picture displayed
  • Not having a custom picture but having the placeholder (either as definite or temporary picture)
  • Not having a picture displayed at all.
Even though I'm not sure it's possible to have all of that, I think it was the objective.
Regarding the color topic, well it's how it look on ONE of the possible superhero layer theme (not dark, sepia, etc.) . But Godwiki is always white. And when I open the godwiki page I see a white infobox on a white page and IMHO, it itsn't pleasant for the eye. Without the mini-quest parameters you could almost miss the infobox completely on large screen when infobox is on the side. Again this is only my opinion, more would be fine, but I think it needs a little coloring. -- WardPhoenix (talk) 10:11, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Apologies, WardPhoenix. Didn't realize my input was needed.
Since my interface always depicts the colorless infobox as grey, I didn't notice there was a problem. As described, though, I can understand the case for sepia toning. The only thing I'd ask for the incorporated quest progress on the sepia box is that the "description" line goes above the picture, to separate the progress bar from the picture to make clear that they are two different graphical elements.
If there is no way to make it possible to choose "diary quest OR picture," I think it looks fine to have the default picture display, as long as it doesn't trigger the "Picture needed" template. The default picture is appealing, apt, and unobtrusive.
And since it doesn't get said enough, thank you for your excellent and creative work, FeRDNYC and WardPhoenix. You two are truly awesome. --SourceRunner (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
As one of the most proeminent content creator, your input is always welcome! The coloring there is a potential one, can always adjust. I am unsure about if it's possible to switch description place and the "diary quest or picture" to be made, so i'll leave that in FeRDNYC capable hands.--WardPhoenix (talk) 18:34, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

I somehow managed to place description above the picture (technically, i told the infobox not to display the title at the usual title spot and told him to display the description at the place of that usual title spot, meanwhile the title is displayed above the progress bar) you can see it on Exemples of the template page or on the quest Catch the worm before the early bird (which works as a perfect guinea pig!). I'll work later to see if we can get a parameter to remove the picture but it's still possible to leave the placeholder and add |ignore-no-image=yes to not have the picture missing banner displayed. By the way, the color is still a placeholder, having hard time to find something eye cathing yet not eye destroying. --WardPhoenix (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

That's truly perfect, WardPhoenix. And honestly, I like the golden peach color. It makes the whole thing look... luscious? Juicy? Something good to take and turn over and examine? Like that. It looks good to me.
Thank you for taking the time to make that so awesome. --SourceRunner (talk) 01:01, 30 April 2019 (UTC)