Talk:Creators Manual

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This article should be titled "Creator's Manual," "Creators' Manual," or "Creator Manual". --BlueStapler 21:09, 4 October 2012 (BST)

How do I actually add an article?

I'm logged in but I'm still clueless (sigh) Nephrite-Jadeite (talk) 01:53, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey Nephrite-Jadeite, welcome! The easiest way to create a new article is to use the search box to search for your article's title. When an article with that title isn't found, the search results page will include a "Create the page "Your Title" on this wiki!" link. (It won't show up if you're not allowed to create an article at that location, which can happen if for instance you try to create User:Some Page β€” the only pages in the User namespace you're allowed to create or edit are User:Nephrite-Jadeite, User talk:Nephrite-Jadeite, and subpages of the same (e.g. User:Nephrite-Jadeite/sandbox for experimentation).
If you're new to MediaWiki editing in general, I highly recommend Wikipedia's introductory materials, as in technical terms they nearly all apply to this wiki as well (though the editorial styles and policies might be different). Help:Getting started is probably a good jumping-off point. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 03:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
And I see you already figured that out, awesome! Good luck, and let me know if there's anything else I can help with. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 03:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I also see you figured it out, but thought I'd add something for people wondering the same thing later: On mobile devices it's really not obvious how to create a new page. My hot tip, if GodFeRDNYC 's good instructions above don't seem to be working for you on mobile:
*Try starting an edit on any page (why not this exact page right here?) and just add anywhere a code like this: [[Your new page name goes here.]]
*On the next screen you'll get a preview of your edit, and it'll have a red link like this: Your new page name goes here.
*Click it, and you'll be offered the option to create the page.
Even if you save the edit I describe the in some out-of-the-way place (like this talk page, your user page, your user talk page, etc), no harm done.
Welcome to GodWiki, and happy editing! πŸ˜† --Djonni (talk) 06:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I forgot how weird basically the entire editing process is on mobile. I'm not sure I could deal with it, myself. Alas, not something we can fix. I'm not sure it's something even an admin could fix. I'll have to look at Wikipedia's own mobile-editing setup someday, to see if it's any less crappy. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 22:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Yeah, it's important to remember as we get stuck into rewriting and updating the technical articles that they were written in an era where most players and essentially all editors were on desktop, and that's simply not the case any more. I intend to incorporate mobile advice into the text wherever possible, and clearly delineate between desktop-only and mobile-only wiki behaviour and process.

Y'know, any day now, when I run out of square too-its and finally get a round too-it. Sigh. --Djonni (talk) 03:40, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

At this point I'm just focused on making the Wiki readable on a mobile device, if we can get all the way there I'll be happy. Editing on mobile, that's... well, it's definitely not something to worry about until the first step is done, because how can you edit something you can't (usefully) view? -- FeRDNYC (talk) 05:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Capitalisation guidelines

As has been recently discussed elsewhere by several of us, it might be useful to put down in writing our preferred capitalisation guidelines for article names. I'm going to do a quick draft of those here, so we can discuss before adding them to the Creators Manual.

First, the easy ones, for game objects:

  • Monster articles should be capitalised as they are in diary entries. Generally this means each word is capitalised, including after a hyphen, unless the word is less than 4 characters long. Those cases are unusual, though, and evidence is expected.
  • Equipment articles should be capitalised as they are in the equipment list. Generally this means only the first letter is capitalised, unless the equipment name contains a proper noun. Those cases are unusual, though, and evidence is expected.
  • Artifact articles should be capitalised as they are in the inventory. Generally this means only the first letter is capitalised, unless the artifact name contains a proper noun. Those cases are unusual, though, and evidence is expected.
  • Quest articles should be capitalised as they are in the stats block. Generally this means only the first letter is capitalised, unless the quest name contains a proper noun. Those cases are unusual, though, and evidence is expected.
  • Skill articles should be capitalised as they are in the stats block. Generally this means only the first letter is capitalised, unless the skill name contains a proper noun. Those cases are unusual, though, and evidence is expected.
  • Town articles should be capitalised as they are on the map.
  • Tavern articles should be capitalised as they are in diary entries or the newspaper. Generally this means each word is capitalised.

User content:

  • Guild pages should be capitalised as they are in the game, or links from the guild's page to the wiki will not work. The exception is that the wiki forces capitalisation of the first letter of all page names. The {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} magic word can be used to correct the capitalisation of an article's title in these cases, but a link to the wiki for guild with a lowercase first letter will work fine either way.
  • Heroine, hero, goddess and god pages should be capitalised as they are in the game, but of course it's up to you. The exception is that the wiki forces capitalisation of the first letter of all page names. The {{DISPLAYTITLE:title}} magic word can be used to correct the capitalisation of an article's title in these cases. Note that the value of {{DISPLAYTITLE}} must be equivalent to the default title: only capitalization changes to certain parts of the title (not all) and replacing spaces with underscores are allowed. See Mediawikiwiki:Help:Magic words#Technical metadata for details.

So, I think those above are pretty straightforward, right? But if you disagree, please say so!

Now, slightly trickier — Godwiki-specific pages.

  • Differentiated pages with brackets (such as Godville (Disambiguation) and Godville (Game) should have lowercased disambiguation terms. In other words, the (Game), (Town), (Disambiguation), etc, should all be lowercased. (I think I've been guilty of doing this wrong myself, to be honest.)
  • If we agree on that, there'll be quite a few pages that we need to move to the correct names (and quite a lot of double-redirects to then fix).
  • Other Godwiki-only pages like the guidelines, this creators manual, etc: Hopefully we won't have need to make a lot more of these, but I think our general policy with these has been to use the highly influential APA/MLA title capitalisation style, like found in the monst names: first word always uppercase; any word four letters or longer uppercase; lowercase articles (a, an, the), coordinating conjunctions, and prepositions; uppercase words after hyphens; all other words uppercase. (Read in detail, or test the rules out.)

I might have missed something in that list... but let me know if that seems right before I go ahead and add it to the manual (and before we start moving a ton of stuff around, heh) πŸ˜… -- Djonni (talk) 12:22, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

I think all the capitalization comments abouts monster/equipment/artifact/quest/skill/town/tavern/guild/hero/god (that was a long list) should belong to their respective Guideline article.
But we can make a short global comment in the Manual about how generally, we ask in-game content to be capitalized the same way in Godwiki.
For the Disambiguation, well, IMO, it looks better with the first letter of the bracketed(??) word capitalized, but well, it can be easily changed if you all prefer it lowercase (and Godville (Disambiguation) was already changed unilateraly). --WardPhoenix (talk) 14:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I think putting each capitalisation guideline on the appropriate guideline pages is a good idea too, but I also think we should have them all in one place somewhere (it doesn't have to be here, of course).
And to be honest about disambiguation capitalisation, I kind of agree with you β€” I thought it looked better with the bracketed (πŸ‘) words capitalised. I think we should consider, though, that most people with experience at the other wiki will treat those uppercase words as wrong, and will "correct" them to lowercase. (As happened with Godville (Disambiguation), which is part of why I thought we should discuss this.) We'll end up with a bunch of page moves, then we'll move them back, then people will point to that Wikipedia policy and say we should do it that way, then we'll point to our capitalisation policy and say we do it this way, and then repeat...
We haven't had to worry about this before because we simply haven't had disambiguation on Godwiki until recently (which you, WardPhoenix, started doing, thank you! πŸ˜†). Since this time last year, we've added something like 30-40% to the article count, if my memory serves. (I'm pretty sure we crossed the 2000 mark around last December.) We are growing now faster than we have in years, with more people contributing regularly, and it's great! It means we'll have more disambiguation (and disambiguated) pages, but it also means we should expect more people coming in expecting things to be done the same as on other, bigger wikis... -- Djonni (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜ Just because something is done on Wikipedia, doesn’t mean we **have** to do it like them. I’ve always considered WP a guideline, not a operations manual. We shouldn’t force ourselves to align with how other wikis do things. This is GodWiki not Wikipedia or Fandom after all. Also, sorry, I might be slightly at fault with the Caps Disamb pages, given I hard coded it that way at first...

I agree with everything regarding caps in-game. It should appear identical to in-game.

Another suggestion, meta articles pertaining to this wiki should really go in the GodWiki project namespace. (Less help pages. Eg: GodWiki should be at GodWiki:GodWiki or wherever it was moved from in the GW namespace). I’m not sure why we don’t use the project namespace as much as we should.

Third suggestion (after seeing the header), we need to decide: AmE or BrE. I’m fine with either, but, we really need to be consistent. Templates should support both AmE and BrE (eg: color == colour), item spelling should be identical to in game (eg: β€œAlternare reality cheque” instead of β€œAlternate reality check”), Guild/god/user/hero pages up to respective parties. β€” Emptysora (talk) 09:58, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Just checked, the redirect I was talking about is: GodWiki:About, which is linked on the bottom of all pages. β€” Emptysora (talk) 10:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)